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Gary Severson Wrote:Of course they admiite mistakes after they were pointed out.
I don't get your point. If Spencer and Christy were unaware that they had made a mistake, why would they admit something that had not yet been established? However, once it was pointed out to them they did admit it.
Al Gore still has not admitted mistakes even after they were pointed out.
Quote:"Their views are skewed because they're bought & paid for by Exxon."
C'mon, Gary. You can't know that. The same logic would tend to support the idea that the climate change alarmist scientific community as a whole has skewed views because of the hundreds of millions (if not billions) of dollars they receive in research funding each year. I assure you those amounts far exceed the amounts being paid to Spencer and Christy by Exxon.
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Spencer has sold his soul just like he did when he worked to defend tobacco for those evil companies. Why would he spin things honestly now for the oil companies. Universities are a lot more respectable than oil companies as a source of funding for research.
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Again, it should not be the persons nor the organizations that we are discussing here. That is a different topic. The topic of this thread has to do with substance: the merits of the arguments being offered and the validity of the evidence offered in support of those arguments. It has nothing to do with who is offering the evidence if the relevance of the evidence can be--or has been--independently verified.
Whenever this topic is raised the main arguments offered by MMGW apologists seem to revolve around pointing out flaws in the personalities, background, affiliations, etc., of the skeptics themselves--not the arguments that the skeptics have offered. The pattern is familiar: arguments are left unaddressed; ad hominem is leveled against the skeptic; the MMGW mantra is re-stated.
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Greg, that argument is like Michelle Bachman saying she & her husband's counseling business receiving federal money has nothing to do with her running for the Presidency as she talks about cutting government spending. There is all kinds of information about the flaws of Spencer's research in the posts I have made. This is the same old response deniers make whenever MMGW is discussed,i.e. you can't talk about the messenger's credentials when the whole time they talk about the dishonesty of MMGW researchers.
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Our local weatherman in San Diego (KUSI), John Coleman, is the founder of the Weather Channel and is highly respected in our local community as well as nationally. I personally know his integrity.
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see this site for critiques of John Coleman's statements about MMGW. Is Coleman a John Bircher? BTW his degree was in journalism. When did he get a meteorology degree? Just because he was 1st CEO of the weather channel doesn't mean he has scientific expertise. Besides what do you have to know about weather in a place like San Diego that doesn't have any weather?
http://uscentrist.org/about/issues/envir...rming-scam
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Gary Severson Wrote:see this site for critiques of John Coleman's statements about MMGW. Is Coleman a John Bircher? BTW his degree was in journalism. When did he get a meteorology degree? Just because he was 1st CEO of the weather channel doesn't mean he has scientific expertise. Besides what do you have to know about weather in a place like San Diego that doesn't have any weather?
http://uscentrist.org/about/issues/envir...rming-scam
This is perhaps your most ignorant post to date. I don't know if he is or isn't a Bircher, but I highly doubt that he is. Why did you ask? His affiliation (or not) is irrelevant. You are "Poisoning the Well" -- how pathetic.
As for San Diego, he considers this his "retirement job" due to our absolutely fabulous weather. But your statement about his qualifications is way off.
Coleman spent the vast majority of his career in the mid west and on the east coast, including:
WCIA in Champaign, Illinois
WMBD-TV in Peoria, Illinois
KETV in Omaha
WISN-TV in Milwaukee
WBBM-TV and WLS-TV in Chicago
Good Morning America (7 years)
Weather Channel (2 years)
WCBS-TV in New York
WMAQ-TV in Chicago
KUSI-TV in San Diego
Once again, you avoid the issues and attack the man.
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Her we go again using ref. to my stupidity. The John Birch Society did the video. If one has any credibility you don't associate with JBS. Yes he was at many TV stations but has no scientific training other than on the job doing comic relief which is what TV weather was used for until more modern TV weather technology came on line. Here's another site that destroys Coleman's credibility with facts.
http://open.salon.com/blog/dbmercer/2008...hn_colemam
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No one called you stupid, Gary. But, your statement/question was:
Quote:Gary Severson said: "Besides what do you have to know about weather in a place like San Diego that doesn't have any weather?"
Such a statement appears to be based on ignorance since his career was spent mostly in the non-San Diego locations that I listed.
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Actually Greg the ref. to San Diego weather was an attempt at a little humor since I am aware how great the weather is there. In fact I have a boyhood friend who is the CEO or CFO of the San Diego Symphony. I just feel sorry for you guys that you can't ice fish like we can here in MN. I know you can snow ski an hr. or 2 away which is why I was reminded by a friend in SD that there was no reason to ever leave. Remember though water skiing was invented in Mn.
