9/11 Lawsuit Against Saudis Discussed on MSNBC

[Lauren Johnson]

This is so disgusting from several angles.



By the way, who gets to decide what we don't want to know?

[Peter Lemkin]

This is so disgusting from several angles.


By the way, who gets to decide what we don't want to know?

Not you; not I; not anyone without high 'clearances' and BIG pockets of money and power!

[Keith Millea]

9/11 Lawsuit Against Saudis Discussed on MSNBC

All they did was babble on about gas prices.What idiots...............:loco:

[Lauren Johnson]

MSNBC interview with author Eric Lichtblau of the New York Times and CIA officer Bob Baer:

http://911blogger.com/news/2012-03-01/sa...ent-255607

This interview is once again an interesting case study of pretend journalism. We are teased with an unthinkable possibility. Then a "former" CIA case officer, Robert Baer, who over the years has been quoted loosely aligning himself with the 9/11 truth movement, calls them crazies, tells us the Saudi family members were sent home because we couldn't imagine they could have been a part of this, and finally teases us with a tidbit that the attack on Iraq was in the works before 9/11.

But never mind, it all makes sense even if it doesn't.

[Lauren Johnson]

I suppose the stunning vacuity of the MSM commentary on the lawsuit in question. We hear Journalists pretending to journalists, Expert Commentators pretending to be experts, and so on. But if we have have ears to hear, listen closely, they sense the void that Thomas Merton called The Unspeakable.

We each could make a list of the things similar to "He Whose Name Must Not Be Mentioned." We cannot seriously critique the military because that would insult our "young men and women in uniform." Accusing the CIA is complicit in sponsoring drug activities in the US, worldwide (?), would imply the War on Drugs is a sham. And of course, the pattern is the same with the suspicion that the Saudi government helped at least with funding of 9/11 would threaten our relationship with a key ally and supplier of much of the world's oil. The Pattern: there is the initial Raid of truth on the Unspeakable, there is the deflection, the dissembling, the denial, the flapping mouth which provides and knot of confusion why we need to avoid what must be true. There is the initial raid followed by the incomprehensible noise that we have been trained to accept as common sense.

But the unspeakable sentences are not The Unspeakable. They are like vast clouds of gas and dust that are under the control of a inferred massive object that cannot be seen--a black hole. The thoughts and sentences that must not exist are testimony to the void that controls them. Even members of a secret government, secret societies, people giving orders with a wink and a nod are part of that obscuring cloud about to cross the even horizon only to be replaced by more voices.

The organizing void is The Unspeakable. It transcends time and location. The void "fears" the truth; it "wants" to pull all life into itself. It will fail. That is an act of faith and nothing more.

But the lawsuit itself will get nowhere. After all, the Saudis, with the approval of the "Justice" Department are claiming Sovereign Immunity. Well, there you are. Discourse is ended; what once obsessed us now old news; who really attacked us is irrelevant. After all, we are at war with an enemy that is everywhere and seeks our destruction.

[Lauren Johnson]

and (be sure to watch this to the end)



I look at Baer through the lens of mind control. The mind that lives in a world primarily structured around cognitive dissonance is a controlled mind because it is a disabled mind. He is in the pull of the Organizing Void.

[Lauren Johnson]

MSNBC, March 13

By Anthony Summers and Dan Christensen
Special to msnbc.com
Former Florida Sen. Bob Graham, who co-chaired Congress' Joint Inquiry into the 9/11 terrorist attacks, has seen two classified FBI documents that he says are at odds with the bureau's public statements that there was no connection between the hijackers and Saudis then living in Sarasota, Fla.
"There are significant inconsistencies between the public statements of the FBI in September and what I read in the classified documents," Graham said.
"One document adds to the evidence that the investigation was not the robust inquiry claimed by the FBI," Graham said. "An important investigative lead was not pursued and unsubstantiated statements were accepted as truth."
Whether the 9/11 hijackers acted alone, or whether they had support within the U.S., remains an unanswered question -- one that began to be asked as soon as it became known that 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi citizens. It was underlined when Congress's bipartisan inquiry released its public report in July 2003. The final 28 pages, regarding possible foreign support for the terrorists, were censored in their entirety -- on President George W. Bush's instructions.
Graham said the two classified FBI documents that he saw, dated 2002 and 2003, were prepared by an agent who participated in the Sarasota investigation. He said the agent suggested that another federal agency be asked to join the investigation, but that the idea was "rejected."
Graham attempted in recent weeks to contact the agent, he said, only to find the man had been instructed by FBI headquarters not to talk.
FBI: 'No credible evidence'
The FBI-led investigation a decade ago focused on Abdulaziz al-Hijji and his wife, Anoud, who moved out of their home in the upscale, gated community of Prestancia, near Sarasota, and left the country in the weeks before 9/11. The couple left behind three cars and numerous personal belongings, such as furnishings, clothes, medicine and food, according to law enforcement records. After the 9/11 attacks, a concerned neighbor contacted the FBI.
Broward Bulldog
Abdulazziz al-Hijji in a photo taken when he lived in Sarasota, Fla.


Analysis of Prestancia gatehouse visitor logs and photographs of license tags showed that vehicles driven by several of the future hijackers had visited the al-Hijji home at 4224 Escondito Circle, according to a counterterrorism officer and former Prestancia administrator Larry Berberich. If that did occur, it will feed into suspicions that the hijackers had Saudi support -- a suspicion held by some official investigators but played down by the 9/11 Commission.
Al-Hijji, who now lives and works in London, recently called 9/11 "a crime against the USA and all humankind" and said he was "saddened and oppressed by these false allegations." He also said it was "not true" that Mohamed Atta and other 9/11 hijackers visited him at his Sarasota home.
The FBI has backed up al-Hijji. After initially declining to comment, the bureau confirmed that it did investigate but said it found nothing sinister. Agents, however, have refused to answer reporters' specific questions about its investigation or its findings about the Prestancia gate records.
The FBI reiterated its position in a Feb. 7 letter that denied a Freedom of Information Act request seeking records from its Sarasota probe. The denial said their release "could constitute an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy."
"At no time during the course of its investigation of the attacks, known as the PENTTBOM investigation, did the FBI develop credible evidence that connected the address at 4224 Escondito Circle, Sarasota, Florida, to any of the 9/11 hijackers," wrote records section chief David M. Hardy.
Hillsborough County Jail
Booking photo of Wissam Hammoud.


Newly released Florida Department of Law Enforcement documents, however, state that an informant told the FBI in 2004 that al-Hijji had considered Osama bin Laden a "hero" and may have known some of the hijackers. The informant, Wissam Hammoud, also said al-Hijji once introduced him to Adnan El Shukrijumah, an ex-Broward County resident and suspected al-Qaida operative on the FBI's Most Wanted list.
Last September, FBI spokesmen also disputed Graham's assertion that Congress was never told about the Sarasota investigation.
That prompted Graham to ask the FBI for assistance in locating in the National Archives the Sarasota-related files that were allegedly turned over to Congress. Instead, after what Graham said were two months in which the FBI was "either unwilling or unable" to help find the records, the bureau suddenly turned over two documents to the Senate Intelligence Committee, which Graham once headed and where he still has access. It is those documents that Graham has said are inconsistent with the FBI denials.
Meeting abruptly canceled
Graham shared this development with the Obama White House, which responded by setting up a meeting between Graham and FBI Deputy Director Sean Joyce. According to the former senator, Joyce told Graham he "didn't want to talk" about the Sarasota episode. Graham said he was assured, however, that he would shortly be shown material that supported the FBI's denials, and a further meeting was arranged with an FBI aide.
In December, Graham said, the scheduled meeting was abruptly canceled and he was told he would be allowed no further access to FBI information about Sarasota.
Graham believes the joint congressional inquiry into the 9/11 attacks was not the only national investigative body kept in the dark about Sarasota. He said the co-chairs of the later 9/11 Commission, Republican Thomas Kean and Democrat Lee Hamilton, have told him they also were unaware of it.
Kean, a former New Jersey governor, told Graham the commission would have "worked it hard," because the hypothesis that the hijackers completed the planning alone was "implausible," the former senator said.
Kean did not return several phone messages seeking comment. But Hamilton, a former Indiana congressman, confirmed this month that he learned nothing about the Sarasota matter while serving as vice-chair of the 9/11 commission.
Graham sees the information now emerging about Sarasota as ominously similar to discoveries his inquiry made in California. Leads there indicated that the first two hijackers to reach the U.S., Saudis Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi, received help first from a diplomat at the Saudi consulate in Los Angeles and then from two other Saudis, one of whom helped al-Mihdhar and al-Hazmi find a place to live. Multiple sources told investigators they believed both the latter Saudis had been Saudi government agents.
Later, when 9/11 Commission staff gained limited access to these individuals in Saudi Arabia, the aides' reaction was caustic. One memo described the testimony of one of them as "deceptive ... inconsistent ... implausible." The testimony of another displayed an "utter lack of credibility," it said.
Graham is troubled by what he sees as FBI headquarters' apparent effort to conceal information, including the fact that al-Mihdhar and al-Hazmi lived for months in California in the home of a paid FBI informant. Even when that emerged, the FBI denied his inquiry access to the informant. Graham wonders if that was merely because of the bureau's embarrassment, or because the informant knew something that "would be even more damaging were it revealed."
The newly surfaced FDLE documents containing informant Hammoud's troubling 2004 information about al-Hijji have reinforced Graham's concerns because they conflict with the FBI's public statements.
Hammoud's statement that al-Hijji introduced him to Saudi terror suspect Shukrijumah is consistent with the report that Prestancia gate logs showed Shukrijumah had visited the al-Hijji house and buttresses longstanding official suspicion that he was linked to the hijackers. When Mohamed Atta visited a federal immigration office in Miami to discuss a visa problem in May 2001, a 9/11 Commission footnote reports, a man who closely resembled Shukrijumah accompanied him.
Related story: Saudi who left Fla. before 9/11 considered bin Laden a 'hero,' informant told FBI in '04
Graham sees what he believes to be the suppression of evidence pointing to Saudi support for the 9/11 hijackers as arising from the perceived advantages to the West, at the time and now, of keeping Saudi Arabia happy.
In late December, the U.S. announced a new $30 billion defense deal with the Saudis.
"This agreement serves to reinforce the strong enduring relationship between the United States and Saudi Arabia," said U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for Political-Military Affairs Andrew Shapiro. "It demonstrates the U.S. commitment to a strong Saudi defense capability as a key component to regional security."
Graham said he was taken aback by that announcement.
"I think that in the period immediately after 9/11 the FBI was under instructions from the Bush White House not to discuss anything that could be embarrassing to the Saudis," he said. "It is more inexplicable why the Obama administration has been reticent to pursue the question of Saudi involvement. For both administrations, there was and continues to be an obligation to inform the American people through truthful information."
Anthony Summers is co-author, with Robbyn Swan, of "The Eleventh Day: The Full Story of 9/11 & Osama bin Laden." Dan Christensen edits the Miami-area investigative Website Broward Bulldog, in which this article first appeared.
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