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The Birth of Television
#11
Mark Stapleton Wrote:America couldn't have landed on the moon without Wernher von Braun's rockets.
That's what I meant! :vroam:Wrong project.
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.

“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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#12
Postal system?
Wow. A whole new meaning to going postal. :marchmellow:
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.

“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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#13
Peter, do you have sources on U-234 (shouldn't it have been the U-238?!)? Links? Books? Sounds like an interesting read.
"Where is the intersection between the world's deep hunger and your deep gladness?"
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#14
I guess I knew that. They said on TV that the Nazis were deciding whether to develop the bomb or move towards the V-1 and V-2 programs and they decided on the latter.


Interesting that Henry Ford's anti-Jewish writings were quoted by Hitler in Mein Kampf. I wonder if he was messianic and delusional enough to think corporate (and therefore the powers that be) America could be induced by the Nazi anti-Jewish campaign into tolerating Nazism? Perhaps Hitler thought Ford represented a movement that could be encouraged by his move against the Jews and used to his advantage? And maybe even spur a Nazi-type political movement in America? It seems America was spared the holocaust reparations demanded from other countries for this kind of thing. What is even crazier is Hitler was aware of Jewish Zionism and might have created his Aryan Zionism in the form of National Socialism from this model. The vicious bastard said you do your form and we'll do ours. The whole idea being the Bolshevik threat could be parlayed into Nazi domination and genocide.
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Ed Jewett Wrote:Peter, do you have sources on U-234 (shouldn't it have been the U-238?!)? Links? Books? Sounds like an interesting read.

For example:
http://www.amazon.com/Germanys-Last-Miss...731&sr=8-1
The most relevant literature regarding what happened since September 11, 2001 is George Orwell's "1984".
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Ed Jewett Wrote:Peter, do you have sources on U-234 (shouldn't it have been the U-238?!)? Links? Books? Sounds like an interesting read.

One of the true coincidences in life is the name of the U-boat [not renamed, but perhaps chosen for its mission - it was one of the Nazis latest, best and newest...they were consecutively numbered]. U-234 was the sub. U-238 is the 'stuff'.....odd.

Best book, I think, is: Critical Mass: How Nazi Germany Surrendered Enriched Uranium for the US Atom Bomb – Hydrick (Whitehurst & Co. $29.95). There are two new books out on the subject which I've not read, but get the feeling they are likely intel 're-writing' of Hydrick's book. NB - Hydrick made two editions - get the newer one, not sure of the date, but the revised is the one to get! Great book!

The other two [I won't vouch for] are: "Germany's Last Mission to Japan: The Failed Voyage of U-234" by Joseph M. Scalia
"The Last Great Secret of the Third Reich: The True Story of a U-Boat Commander Who Defied the Orders of His Nazi Leaders and Changed the Course of modern civilization" by Arthur O. Naujoks & Lee Nelson
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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#17
Thanks, folks, for the book ideas. Next stop: a used book store listed on Amazon.

Added on edit:

But $127.36 and $297.99 are just a little pricey...

I can get Jung's Red book for less!
"Where is the intersection between the world's deep hunger and your deep gladness?"
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#18
See also Joseph Farrell's Reich of the Black Sun.

NB this is a scribd link and may take a little time to load:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/468538/Farrell...ied-Legend
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War."

Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon

"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war
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#19
More suppressed technology is rediscovered.
Quote:Decades before Hollywood shlockmeisters rolled out their gimmicky spectacles in the mid-'50s, Nazi filmmakers made 3Dpropaganda films using their own versions of the format.Stored in an obscure corner of Berlin's Federal Archives, two black-and-white shorts shot in 1936 were discovered by Australian director Philippe Mora as he researched a project on Third Reich cinema.Mora told Variety the 3D Nazi movies, evidently filmed with a prism in front of two lenses, "were made … for Goebbels' propaganda ministry and referred to as raum film -- or space film -- which may be why no one ever realised since that they were 3D."The half-hour films include a musical, So Real You Can Touch It, featuring close-ups of sizzling bratwurst. Six Girls Roll Into Weekend follows a group of Nazi starlets."The quality of the films is fantastic," Mora said. "The Nazis were obsessed with recording everything and every single image was controlled -- it was all part of how they gained control of the country and its people."Mora, who believes there are more Nazi 3D films waiting to be unearthed, is already digging into his next project: a 3D biopic about Salvador Dali.Source: Wired.com
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.

“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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