09-05-2012, 02:03 PM
I can only guess how much of this is true and how much is propaganda:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-5...bomb-plot/
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-5...bomb-plot/
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CIA Foils Underwear Bomb
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09-05-2012, 02:03 PM
I can only guess how much of this is true and how much is propaganda:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-5...bomb-plot/ .
09-05-2012, 05:38 PM
This hardly even needs a deep political analysis.
The timing - as military trials of tortured suspects begin The suspect - a CIA agent The subtext - even more Volkland Security no bid costs plus contracts needed for our "vulnerable" airports The geopolitical giveaway - Saudi intelligence was a key partner of the CIA. Saudi intelligence riding to the help of the Good Guys? Who penned this lamentable script? A Bush crime famly ghost writer? Quote:'Underwear bomber' was working for the CIA
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek." "They are in Love. Fuck the War." Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon "Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta." The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war
09-05-2012, 05:57 PM
The bra bomber certainly comes next.... or the baby in diapers bomber..... Your analysis is right on the mark, Jan.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn "If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
09-05-2012, 06:17 PM
It was only a matter of time before the literal-minded turned their attention to "undercover operation."
The TNT BVD from the CIA. I wouldn't want to be the guy to debrief the suspect. Anyway ... I have the perfect underwear bomb idea that will defeat all efforts at detection: Wear a pair of too-tight jockey shorts for three weeks in the desert sun. Never take them off -- not even when voiding. Get on a plane. Drop your trousers.
09-05-2012, 06:52 PM
Even MSM security correspondents, briefed with all the pomp and secrecy of a spooky confessional booth, can't take this farce seriously.
It's about as meaningful as a fratboy stinkbomb prank. I vote for the putrid corpse of John Belushi to be dug up by the WASP sons of Geronimo-hunting goons, transfused with military-grade liquid explosive, and presented as the next despicable chapter in the Evil Terrorist Plot, threatening our Way of Life, nay threatening the very nostrils of loyal Volkland Security functionaries. Quote:Sting operation secures al-Qaida bomb, but questions persist
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek." "They are in Love. Fuck the War." Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon "Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta." The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war
11-05-2012, 01:13 PM
From http://www.asianage.com/international/br...ources-812
Quote:The undercover informant in the plot linked to Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, or AQAP, was a British citizen, possibly of Saudi origin, the sources said on condition of anonymity. The informant was working in cooperation with Britain's two principal spy agencies. The most relevant literature regarding what happened since September 11, 2001 is George Orwell's "1984".
11-05-2012, 01:22 PM
But on a more 'serious' note....[and likely the reason d'etre for this entire false-flag and agent provocateur combo op], all sorts of high-level types in the USA are using it as a call for GREATER restrictions and greater searches/surveillance/eavesdropping/preemptive countermeasures on everyone, everywhere!.....Achtung! [Oh, and lest I forget, there is a bill on such searches/surveillance/eavesdropping/preemptive countermeasures on everyone, everywhere that just happens to be up for renewal in Congress in the next few days.....coincidence, I'm sure:pinkelephant:
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn "If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
11-05-2012, 07:11 PM
May 11, 2012 Shakespeare: "Hell is Empty and all the Devils are Here"
The Political Uses of the Latest "Terror Plot" by Bill Van Auken Global Research, May 11, 2012 World Socialist Web Site - 2012-05-10 One day after publicly announcing that the CIA had foiled an Al Qaeda plot to bomb a commercial airliner, US officials revealed Tuesday that the would-be bomber was in fact an informant working for the CIA and Saudi intelligence. This turn of events is in line with so many domestic terror plots "disrupted" by federal authorities, whichin the overwhelming majority of caseshave featured confidential informants acting as agent provocateurs, instigating stage-managed plots and providing targeted patsies with money, dummy bombs and fake weapons before they are rounded up. The account given for this latest operation is decidedly murky. Officials have claimed that the plot originated with the infiltration of a group affiliated to the Yemen-based Al Qaeda of the Arabian Peninsula by the CIA-Saudi double agent. Why the US government would choose to expose such a seemingly valuable mole by making the supposed plot public is unclear to say the least. It is impossible to sort fact from fiction in the versions being reported by the media. A highly skeptical attitude toward the most basic claims about this episode is more than warranted. However, the saturation news coverage is itself an unmistakable indication that, with less than six months to go before the US presidential election, elements within the Obama administration and the state apparatus want to move the "war on terror" to the front burner of American politics. A key motivation for this was made clear Wednesday by the Washington Post, which published an editorial entitled "The US is right to strike hard at terrorists in Yemen." The Post cites the alleged bomb plot to retroactively justify the Obama administration's sharp escalation in US drone strikes against Yemen, with more missiles fired from the pilotless aircraft at targets in the country in the first four months of this year than in all of 2010 and 2011 combined. The editorial went on to praise White House counterterrorism advisor John Brennan for delivering a speech last week defending drone attacks as both legal and "ethical." Brennan argued that the strikes were sanctioned by the Authorization of the Use of Military Force passed by Congress in September 2001 and used to justify both the Afghanistan and Iraq wars. As the media provided wall-to-wall coverage of the alleged terror plot, virtually no attention was given to the announcement Tuesday by the Pentagon that US special forces "trainers" have been sent back into Yemen to aid troops of the country's US-backed dictatorship in an ongoing civil war. They had been withdrawn during the mass uprisings that toppled dictator Ali Abdullah Saleh, who ruled Yemen for 33 years, only to see him replaced by his deputy. The Pentagon also revealed that an amphibious assault battle group, including some 2,000 Marines, has been deployed off Yemen's coast in the Gulf of Aden. Thus, the "war on terror", in the form of the reported bomb plot, is being utilized to justify yet another US war, this time in Yemen. The country is of great strategic concern to the US, as it commands the choke point between the Red and Arabian Seas, a key oil shipping route, and borders Saudi Arabia, the world's largest oil producer. There are doubtless political calculations in making the bomb plot public as well. Obama launched his re-election campaign by glorifying his role as the man who ordered the assassination of Osama bin Laden. He appears determined to make it impossible for the Republicans to attack him from the right on the "national security issue" by touting his record as the most militarist president in the country's history. Finally, aside from immediate foreign policy and political objectives, publicizing the purported bomb plot serves an institutional purpose, providing a justification for the perpetuation of a massive apparatus of military aggression and domestic repression. In Congressional testimony on Wednesday, FBI chief Robert Mueller cited the plot to call for swift renewal of provisions granting the US government sweeping authority to spy on electronic communications. The provisions are set to expire at the end of the year. CNN commentator Fareed Zakaria pointed to this side of the issue in an online column posted this week, noting that Washington remains "firmly committed to the war on terror at home" and to the "expansion of federal bureaucracies to tackle this war." "Since September 11, 2001, the US government has created or reconfigured at least 263 organizations to tackle some aspect of the war on terror," he writes. "Thirty-three new building complexes have been built for the intelligence bureaucracies alone, occupying 17 million square feetthe equivalent of 22 US Capitols or three Pentagons. The largest bureaucracy after the Pentagon and the Department of Veterans Affairs is now the Department of Homeland Security, which has a workforce of 230,000 people." Zakaria notes that the vast powers of this intelligence apparatus "now touch every aspect of American life", with "some 30,000 people, for example … now employed exclusively to listen in on phone conversations and other communications within the United States." After more than a decade of first the Bush administration and then that of Obama attempting to terrorize the American people with the supposedly ubiquitous threat of terrorism, the breathless announcement of new "bomb plots" appears to be producing diminished returns. The overwhelming majority of the American people are opposed to war and have seen again and again how the "war on terror" has been used to justify military aggression abroad. Moreover, millions of working people in the United States and around the world are confronting far more immediate threats in the form of mass unemployment, declining living standards, the lack of a future for the youth and the destruction of public education and basic social services. The 2012 election contest between the Democratic and Republican parties will offer no opportunity to vote for or against the continued buildup of the US military and intelligence apparatus and the threat it poses to the democratic rights and very lives of working people on a world scale. Nor will it allow the people to vote for or against the assault on jobs, wages and social conditions in the interest of the banks and the financial elite. Both parties are fully committed to these policies. None of this can be opposed within the framework of the capitalist two-party system. Such a struggle can be waged only by means of the independent political mobilization of the working class on the basis of a socialist program to put an end to the profit system.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn "If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
12-05-2012, 08:03 AM
Peter Lemkin Wrote:But on a more 'serious' note....[and likely the reason d'etre for this entire false-flag and agent provocateur combo op], all sorts of high-level types in the USA are using it as a call for GREATER restrictions and greater searches/surveillance/eavesdropping/preemptive countermeasures on everyone, everywhere!.....Achtung! [Oh, and lest I forget, there is a bill on such searches/surveillance/eavesdropping/preemptive countermeasures on everyone, everywhere that just happens to be up for renewal in Congress in the next few days.....coincidence, I'm sure:pinkelephant: I stand corrected.... "According to CIA Officer Nelson Brickham, "false flag" recruitments are when CIA case officers pose as (say) Soviet intelligence officers and, using legitimate Soviet cipher systems and methodology, recruit (say) Chinese diplomats, who believe they are working for the Russians, although they are actually working for the CIA. The CIA case officers then use the unsuspecting Chinese agents to create all manner of mischief. (The Phoenix Program, p 102) The Wikipedia definition is incorrect, as many Wikipedia definitions are: false flags are not necessarily designed to fool the public, they are designed to fool a foreign intelligence service or its agents. And not all operations designed to fool the public, or a foreign intelligence service or its agents, are false flag operations. The underwear bomber could only have been part of a false flag operation if he thought he was working for an intelligence service other than the CIA. But he knew he was working for the CIA. The underwear bomber was a penetration agent. It was not a false flag operation. If the 19 9-11 bombers had been hired by MOSSAD agents pretending to be Al Qaeda agents, 9-11 would have been a false flag operation designed to fool the public. Of course, bin Laden would have to have been a CIA agent as well, as would any other Al Qaeda official who claimed credit for 9-11." -Douglas Valentine
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn "If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
12-05-2012, 11:18 AM
Peter Lemkin Wrote:According to CIA Officer Nelson Brickham Peter - why would we allow the CIA to define the meaning of false flag? Why would we limit the meaning of false flag to operations "not necessarily designed to fool the public, they are designed to fool a foreign intelligence service or its agents"? The Gleiwitz incident was a classic false flag. In that thread I wrote about Gleiwitz: Jan Klimkowski Wrote:A classic psyop to create a false casus belli. Your Propaganda Ministry, in this case led by the Gestapo, then makes sure the people's "outrage" at this heathen and barbarous act is magnified, and off your armies go to slaughter the enemy. I stand by every word.
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek." "They are in Love. Fuck the War." Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon "Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta." The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war |
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