MARY'S MOSAIC: A litmus test of JFK research integrity

[Charles Drago]

Seamus,

Take your man crush on Jim DiEugenio and shove it up your arse.

In the process, you might find your head.

CD

CD, Hardly high brow / high road discussion technique. Seamus can be annoying, but please don't let his style and arguements [be they as they may] lower yours. He doesn't represent the Forum. In part, you do. Said as a friend.

Accepted in kind.

[Dawn Meredith]

Okay ... Let the good times roll!

Jim Fetzer is making the same false choice that Jim DiEugenio is making -- between Janney's theory and no MPM conspiracy.

In the process, Fetzer is offering yet another false choice -- between his interpretation and that of DiEugenio.

A plague on all their houses.

Amen. And for those who do not get this...do further study on false choices. This damn case is full of them.


Dawn

[Phil Dragoo]

Dorothy Hunt and the 50 FBI agents.

But E. Howard Hunt no doubt wrote another 42 novels for Dulles Publishing.

And St. John Hunt is up to his armpits in LBJ-did-it.

My take on Janney is that he's ludicrous, a Weekly World News equivalent to Seamus' expose of Dulles' fingerprints on Roswell infiltrated by filthy alien subversives.

I think Charles says, after all is said and done, there is still a crime scene which is not likely to lack a deep political dimension.

Kind of like the muddy footprints at the fence and on the bumper, the cigarettes, the word from Bowers.

It can't be that absurd thing of Janney.

I can never master that yo-momma-so-fat banter.

Perhaps the truth is behind the kind of vaudeville of Witt the Umbrella Clown.

Crump may be as guilty as some say was Ruben Hurricane Carter but Dylan already wrote the song.

A cover would be set up so those defending Kennedy's reputation would say Crump-did-it, case closed.

I'm still asking why Zero told Ortega the former was born January 1961.

Nobody was on the bumper and Bowers fell asleep.

[James H. Fetzer]

Albert continues to discredit himself by not actually reading the article upon which he is commenting. Dovey Roundtree even obtained an affidavit from "Vivian", his paramour, confirming their tryst. But she was so afraid that her husband would kill her if he found out that she refused to testify in court. This is a nice illustration of the deplorable inadequacies at research of A FEW of the members of this forum. I infer that he has also not read the book, because it is discussed in MARY'S MOSAIC, pages 95-96.

If we analyze the actual components of Fetzer's submission I have trouble with the being drowsy and falling in to the water after arising from a nap claim. That's a "dog ate my homework" childish excuse that most adult researchers should question.

Also, Fetzer assumes Crump had sex with his mistress. It's very important to know if this is true or not because it takes the rape scenario away for Crump's motives.

I have a feeling Jim would shred Fetzer's submission like a pit bull and a rag doll if he entered the thread.

I'm not sure Seamus fully detects the wisdom in what Charles writes in the full deep politics spectrum.

[Albert Doyle]

I'm not sure that answers it but I don't want to get into the nasty details. But I think you know what I'm getting at.


If Crump was 'satisfied' it would make the rape motive unlikely. Just answer the point Dr false Lovelady double Fetzer.

[Charles Drago]

Albert, I'm asking you to do what I'm asking everyone at DPF to do:

Ignore Jim Fetzer.

[Seamus Coogan]

Albert, I'm asking you to do what I'm asking everyone at DPF to do:

Ignore Jim Fetzer.

I agree totally. I've been sorely tempted to leap in here myself. But whats the f***** point the man is insane?:loco:

Well I'm glad to make your annoyance Peter lol. Funny, I actually enjoy your posts. Nonetheless, I do agree with you that CD is being a little over the top. That was also a nice summary I must say Phil, I'm sorry Al I don't understand the deep political angles espoused by CD...I mean telling me to shove my head up my ass wow that is pretty deep lol.

Quite obviously I have no problem with CD's take at all folks. It's just that well let's be honest there isn't one really is there? I mean we got an inkling of the direction CD was going in the other thread. That was all very cool, but I'd like to see more not less. I don't want to get abused for making that point either. Because if there is an alternative to Janney and CTKA's position with some good evidence or some compelling points. I'd much prefer it came from CD than say Mr Fetzer (how ignorant and arrogant I am for suggesting that CD is better than JF). When CD get's something solid together (as said in numerous posts) we'd be glad to create a more positive paradigm for the MPM issue at CTKA, even if it was an article simply discussing the dangers of overlooking potential deep events in cases like her story. Whoar,what mean spirited paradigm thieving wankers we guys are.

But I wouldn't like to link anything to this thread for reasons that are pretty obvious. Judging by Jan and Magda's replies another outburst and this thread will likely head to the Bear Pit. I wager it won't be me that sends it there either.

[Peter Lemkin]

I not only read MM, but have re-read the last chapters, which have NEW information, NEW connections, NEW witnesses and new potential leads on both the JFK and MM murders - as they were done by the exact same persons....

In his introduction to Mary's Mosaic, Janney places the murders of John Kennedy and Mary Pinchot Meyer in a larger context:

The tapestry of President Kennedy's killing is enormous; the tapestry of Mary Meyer's, much smaller. And yet they are connected, one to another, in ways that became increasingly apparent to me as I dug ever more deeply into her relationship with Jack Kennedy and the circumstances surrounding her demise. To understand the complex weave of elements that led to her death is to understand, in a deeper way, one of the most abominable, despicable events of our country's history.

Therein lies the cancerous tumor upon the soul of America. The CIA's inception and entrance into the American landscape fundamentally altered not only the functioning of our government, but the entire character of American life. The CIA's reign during the Cold War era has contaminated the pursuit of historical truth. While the dismantling of America's republic didn't begin in Dallas in 1963, that day surely marked an unprecedented acceleration of the erosion of constitutional democracy. America has never recovered. Today in 2012, the ongoing disintegration of our country is ultimately about the corruption of our government, a government that has consistently and intentionally misrepresented and lied about what really took place in Dallas in 1963, as it did about the escalation of the Vietnam War that followed, and which it presently continues to do about so many things.

Once revered as a refuge from tyranny, America has become a sponsor and patron of tyrants. Like Rome before it, America is in its own way burning. Indeed, the Roman goddess Libertas, her embodiment the Statue of Liberty, still stands at the entrance of New York harbor to welcome all newcomers. Her iconic torch of freedom ablaze, her tabula ansata specifically memorializing the rule of law and the American Declaration of Independence, the chains of tyranny are broken at her feet. She wears peace' sandals not war boots. While her presence should be an inescapable reminder that we are all "immigrants," her torch reminds us that the core principles for which she stands require truth telling by each and every one of us. As long as any vestige of our democracy remains, each of us has a solemn duty to defend it, putting our personal and family loyalties aside. "Patriotism" real patriotism has a most important venue, and it's not always about putting on a uniform to fight some senseless, insane war in order to sustain the meaningless myths about "freedom" or "America's greatness." There is a higher loyalty that real patriotism demands and encompasses, and that loyalty is to the pursuit of truth, no matter how painful or uncomfortable the journey.

[Albert Doyle]

I agree Peter. Which is why I think people should press DiEugenio and others more on which ignoring and silence they pick and choose. I have no doubt in my mind Mary Meyer was wacked by CIA in typical 'lone nut' fashion. I think there's some reverse-Fetzering going on where real events are being denied because of over-zealous vetting which is sort of tragic and diminshes the credibility of those doing it. This can't be answered with Orwellian lording if any objective degree of Deep Political analysis is going to be upheld.

[Charles Drago]

Which is why I think people should press DiEugenio and others more on which ignoring and silence they pick and choose.

AND

This can't be answered with Orwellian lording if any objective degree of Deep Political analysis is going to be upheld.

WHAT???

(The "the fuck" was understood.)

WARNING: RHETORICAL QUESTION TO FOLLOW --

Is this iteration of "Albert Doyle," the barely functional semi-literate, the same "Albert Doyle" who writes all those long, relatively cogent posts?