Major 9/11 Breakthrough

[Peter Lemkin]

Oh, that IS a CRACK in the 'wall' of propaganda! PBS will suffer for that, but the more important thing is many who would never see that film [I have it, and have seen it, and is quite persuasive....will at least bring HUGE doubt into any intelligent person and anger at the government (if not fear) for having ignored - really covered this whole area up!!!! Now, finally, at least the educated in America will be aware that THREE world trade towers all collapsed the same very strange way and that molten metal [and thermite residue] were found in what was left..........

Any link between this and Romney wanting to cut funding for PBS? (NOTE; I am not claiming Romney was in any way involved on or in 9/11)

Peter,

What I have recently learned about Mitt Romney (see recent postings under ROMNEY topic here at DPF), I would not be surprised to learn if he was.

Adele

Romney involved in 911, or in his wanting to cut funding to PBS? Romney and his political ilk 'the Reich of the Reich of the Republicans have always tried to stop funding and eliminate by means legal and illegal ALL public broadcasting and all funds for it. Pacifica radio has long been targeted. PBS has been defanged and defunded, with people like Bill Moyers attacked on all fronts. It is very toothless, at best....but way above 'normal' TV. NPR, another LIberal bastion [NOT a progressive one!] has also been defunded and bought-out. PBS was long ago bought out to a large degree by large corporations who have their 'no advertising' ads clearly displayed between programs. Ditto NPR. Despite this, the ultra-Reich wants them gone completely, as they sometimes still do investigative journalism and sometimes question the status quo and what the rulers have done and said or not done and not said. Romney is a Neaderthal Reactionary cum Fascist and Cultist. The USA will not last long if he becomes President! AS bad as Obama is and has been, with him we still have a fighting chance. They are the two wings of the one party state - not much difference on the end goals, but quite different on the means, speed and civility. America is going NO WHERE unless and until we get rid of both of those outdated and completely controlled and compromised parties IMHO. We need to change the Constitution [if it is still in effect - which it may well not be (secretly) - pre-empted by COG] to have PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION and mandatory voting, IMO.

[Lauren Johnson]

Oh, that IS a CRACK in the 'wall' of propaganda! PBS will suffer for that, but the more important thing is many who would never see that film [I have it, and have seen it, and is quite persuasive....will at least bring HUGE doubt into any intelligent person and anger at the government (if not fear) for having ignored - really covered this whole area up!!!! Now, finally, at least the educated in America will be aware that THREE world trade towers all collapsed the same very strange way and that molten metal [and thermite residue] were found in what was left..........

Any link between this and Romney wanting to cut funding for PBS? (NOTE; I am not claiming Romney was in any way involved on or in 9/11)

Peter,

What I have recently learned about Mitt Romney (see recent postings under ROMNEY topic here at DPF), I would not be surprisedarn if he was.

Adele

Romney involved in 911, or in his wanting to cut funding to PBS? Romney and his political ilk 'the Reich of the Reich of the Republicans have always tried to stop funding and eliminate by means legal and illegal ALL public broadcasting and all funds for it. Pacifica radio has long been targeted. PBS has been defanged and defunded, with people like Bill Moyers attacked on all fronts. It is very toothless, at best....but way above 'normal' TV. NPR, another LIberal bastion [NOT a progressive one!] has also been defunded and bought-out. PBS was long ago bought out to a large degree by large corporations who have their 'no advertising' ads clearly displayed between programs. Ditto NPR. Despite this, the ultra-Reich wants them gone completely, as they sometimes still do investigative journalism and sometimes question the status quo and what the rulers have done and said or not done and not said. Romney is a Neaderthal Reactionary cum Fascist and Cultist. The USA will not last long if he becomes President! AS bad as Obama is and has been, with him we still have a fighting chance. They are the two wings of the one party state - not much difference on the end goals, but quite different on the means, speed and civility. America is going NO WHERE unless and until we get rid of both of those outdated and completely controlled and compromised parties IMHO. We need to change the Constitution [if it is still in effect - which it may well not be (secretly) - pre-empted by COG] to have PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION and mandatory voting, IMO.

Peter,
I think we are already there. My read is that Obama's role is to be the setup for a Romneyesque presidency. Is he still of use? Has he finished his job? Is he still of use?

I see two possibilities. Obama is given the presidency, which will be used in a strategy of tension to strengthen reactionary movements. Things are intended to to get a lot worse. Or the election will be given to Romney as TPTB go "all in" as you describe. Forcusing on Romney's Mormonism will serve as a distraction. He is serving the same masters as GWB and Obama. They are not Mormon, IMO.

[Martin White]

Hi Peter,

Sorry I wasn't clear in my reply; I meant that you'd said PBS would suffer for airing the 9/11 film. I was wondering if there was any connection between this (PBS showing that programme) and suddenly the Republicans wanting to cut PBS.

regards

Martin

[Peter Lemkin]

Hi Peter,

Sorry I wasn't clear in my reply; I meant that you'd said PBS would suffer for airing the 9/11 film. I was wondering if there was any connection between this (PBS showing that programme) and suddenly the Republicans wanting to cut PBS.

regards

Martin

I think this is a non-question, as all the Republicans [and many of the Dumbocraps] have LONG wanted to destroy and delete PBS! This program might have upset them, as did many a Bill Moyers program [rather tame, by MY standards...but NOT tame by corporate MSM standards]. TPTB want total control of the propaganda and the Plebs...it is that simple, IMHO. They have decided that NOW is the time to go back to a neo-Feudal World state where there is a <1% elite, an oppressive church and military, and the rest are serfs who pay their part of their product or die.....more likely die.

[Phil Dragoo]

Lauren, the film was well worth the investment in time http://video.cpt12.org/video/2270078138

A key to unlock so much of the mystery lies in two phrases of Tom Sullivan:

Thermite Cutting Charges

Wireless Remote Detonators

We have had since the first day the fire down below: subterranean fire burning very hot in the absence of oxygen

NIST is "unable to provide an explanation of the collapse" yet that was their mandate from Congress

Noted are "no intact floors" using phrases like "pulverized" by the likes of Governor Pataki

The woman insists no one investigated bone fragments on the roof of Deutsche Bank

A number of professional persons remark on the velocity of the alleged "rush of air"--able to propel multiton girders, sections

The ubiquity of unreacted thermitic materials

Chips such as this shouldn't be there, aren't artifacts of fire, not paint, not "sulfur from gypsum board"

Normal office fires? Jet A burning at 600 degrees Fahrenheit is not Fe2O3 + 2Al > 4500 degrees Fahrenheit (looking for 2700 F to melt steel)

Boom boom boom boom et cetera from any number of the 118 first responders interviewed--what "we would expect from controlled demolition"

Given the loitering E-4B as a platform for sequential initiation and the access to "47 core columns from 50 elevators"

The how is faded out to bring up the why

Last month on this anniversary 150 heavily armed men stormed a consulate whose personnel were overwhelmingly CIA, whose very purpose was likely as arsenal and clearing house for distributing fighters and materiel

Meanwhile in Syria the Islamic regime of Erdogan works with NATO and USG vs Assad backed by Iran via Iraq plus Putin

Is Afghanistan winding down--given the agreement Obama signed with Karzai for a period ending in 2024, given the heroin which has prospered since defeat of the Taliban

While Obama and Hillary, Panetta and Petraeus, Rice and (wait a minute--didn't we just have a Rice)--go on and on and on about a "video"

Isn't it about Perpetual War, Big Brother and Oceania against Eurasia this week and Eastasia next week

911 was the casus belli for the Running Man game of your rights sliding down to hell in a controlled demolition

We didn't test for explosives and we can't explain the collapse

Oswald didn't have GSR on his cheek but this year the FBI says that doesn't matter

And as long as Obama reupped Bob Mueller it still doesn't matter

Do we want another government investigation of anything

Maybe a petition

[Lauren Johnson]

Lauren, the film was well worth the investment in time http://video.cpt12.org/video/2270078138

Phil, You know, for all the people who think I am a crank, one of them happened on this film. He admitted I just might be right. Poor bastard.

[Peter Lemkin]

Of course TPTB were INFURIATED that one [only one!] PBS affiliate had the guts to broadcast this film [which can be had by purchase or free on the internet if you know where to look]. Some of the commissioners that oversee public broadcasting found its showing [though only on one affiliate station tantamount to treason - what a reversal of the truth - as the treason is somewhere in the power structure [surely in its hidden part - although very visible parts have played and still play a part in the cover-up]. So, yes, the showing of this film has something to do with the desire by many in Congress to close down funding [i.e. close down the network] PBS; but as said, previous shows by Moyers and others had long outraged them prior. A good film...but IMHO there are even better ones. For many of us the best we can do it to make multiple copies of these better films and supporting documents/articles/books and put them on DVDs to be given to our friends and families in denial and fear to 'see/hear/speak no evil'. Many a revolution was accomplished by the passing around of audio tapes, videos, flyers, etc. Today, with DVDs we can pack quite a punch in a small package. Make 'em and pass 'em around.....some will take a peek and one never knows.....may pass it on to others in an ever growing tree of the sunshine of truth - and the hard part - WHAT MUST BE DONE about it!

[Phil Dragoo]

Peter and Lauren

911 Explosive Evidence: Experts Speak Out maintains a professional tone and constant feedback loop of expected-observed.

Its length, if nothing else, would dissuade many--"Here, watch this nine-minute video--" "What! I don't have NINE minutes! Who do you think I am? A) retired person; B) nursing home resident; C) boomerang offspring; D) professional paint-drying inspector, et cetera"

Add to this the phenomenon presented in the film's final segment, termed "cognitive dissonance" to describe Cognition A: my country/government as I have always known it would never do this; Cognition B: this film (or person, article, website, radio program) is telling me my country/government did this.

Paralysis may take the form of escapism, of the type which is the current popular Petri dish culture fraught with Angry Birds, my smart phone's bigger than yours, Survival XXVI: Truth or Consequences, New Mexico.

As I'd described, Judy Woods breathlessly relating to George Noory of a microwave-like weapon which cooked the people we see in the windows of the Towers at the last is, like their predicament, high above the observers, completely unaccessible.

To get to the top of the pyramid to see the Mayan ritual each step is significant and irreplaceable.

It is of course the inconvenient truth du jour, but not without precedent.

Operation Northwoods ought to be revisited, for the modest proposal which disgusted JFK came from the chairman of the joint chiefs.

Watergate and Iran-Contra are nothing to this, yet it has not been presented to a receptive audience.

As with the public ritual murder of the sole opponent to the military-industrial complex of Ike, the grand cabal of Churchhill, the power elite of Prouty, the mockingbirds attack the low-hanging fruit--a position gleefully occupied by the Ragfetzque Faction, rodeo clowns by any other name could not perform more hilariously.

There are no pancakes, only traces indicating thermitic devices ignited wirelessly from the clearly visible yet unexplained E-4B.

What firm(s) accessed elevator shafts nearest 911--for discovery by subsequent contractors would be the undoing of the plot.

[Peter Lemkin]

I believe it was ACE elevator that had the last contract on the elevators. ACE Elevator Company
One area that seems to be wide open to investigation is: whatever happened to ACE Elevator Company? This was the company that won the largest elevator repair contract in history, to "modernize" the World Trade Centers, prior to 9/11. This would mean they would be quite a successful company. How could they go under and disappear?

I have not seen any interviews with the employees, or articles about what happened to them or their company. They had the best access to the building, and are the likely suspects for whoever put nano-thermite explosives in the building.

My company also does web site hosting and domain registrations. We host the domain for http://www.NielsHarrit.org

So, it seems odd to me that such a successful company would not have the domain name AceElevator.com
Using this site's tools, I looked up the history. They evidently did not have a even web site on 9/11/2001
http://domain-history.domaintools.com

Someone named Barney Padrino has it, reserved only on December 17 2007. It is a domain for sale. I sent him an offer from another email address, and will try to get to know him, just in case he knows anything. I'd like to know why he reserved such a name for years, and does nothing with it. There is a Lotto ticket ad on it, that's all.

There is another company named http://www.AceElevatorCompany.com in Florida, which seems to be unrelated, but deserves investigation.

We should find the information, in the public records, for Ace Elevator Company of Palisades Park, NJ.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/sept11/2002...usat_x.htm

6) How could you wire buildings the CIA has a huge presence in without the CIA knowing about it? And since you have a choice to blow many different buildings, why blow up all of the CIA's records, computers and paperwork that took years to build?

ACE Elevator employees were working in the building for weeks before 9/11. Who were they really? Here's an interesting paragraph from
http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp...elevator_1
"After the North Tower is hit, most of the WTC's 83 elevator mechanics gather in the lobby of the South Tower, but when the second plane hits, they evacuate. In contrast, a passing elevator mechanic from another company runs into the WTC and dies trying to free trapped passengers. "


7) Given the security in the World Trade Center, 100,000 people going and coming every week, hundreds of security officers and maintenance guys all over, elevators locked per bank, key cards provided by building management required to get to any elevator bank, how do you wire 100 stories in two buildings with explosives without getting noticed? Not one janitor or elevator repair man has stepped forward to say that they saw anything unusual.

There are plenty of them, coming forth in newspapers, TV, and YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N21-QJkI_...e=related- William Rodriquez maintenance worker at the WTC
He and his co-workers were thrown by an explosion in the basement. The plane hit far above.
Their testimony was omitted in the 9/11 Commission report.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E3oIbO0A...re=related - "Loose Change" video production
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVDUlxydwjE - Dr. David Griffin

Firemen hear and feel explosions at lobby level, and talked about it being a controlled demolition
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zyjY05wz...re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBb00PQR1zo

No one has formally investigated what ACE Elevator workers were doing, or what happened when the power was turned off for "maintenance" just days before 9/11. The workers (possibly substituted by demolition experts) probably had security keys.
http://www.nycooperative.com/Contractors/elevators.html


http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp...elevator_1

[Peter Lemkin]

and not to change the subject..but there are SO MANY strange things going on before during and after the 'BIG EVENT' of 911...remember the actor Mark Humphrey playing 'Harley Man' reading his lines for the TV volk, and then winds up doing demo work at Ground Zero?!.......just to name a few of thousands of things that prove to me it was a set-up and pre-planned job....and not by 19 patsies. Now, he has claimed copyright on his image - at least he seems to admit it was him......I'll try to find a uncensored version on the internet....



No, like JFKs brains and the WTC physical evidence, its been made ot magically disappear. This video I can not find anymore on the internet, it seems. It was variously known as Harley Man with or without the name Mark Humphrey. It must still exist somewhere out there.....all help welcome. It is in many of the 911 movies, but how to get a short video of it here on the Forum?....hmmmm the internet censors are busy little beavers, aren't they

Anyway, this 'witness' just happens to have a TV mic stuck in his face and he says, "I saw this plane come out of nowhere and just careened right into the side of the twin tower, exploding through the other side, and then I witnessed both towers collapse, one first then the second MOSTLY DUE TO STRUCTURAL FAILURE because the fire was just too intense." :pinkelephant: Very natural speech.....Ha!