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America's Mexican Border Wars
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7936115.stm

Quote:Mexico police find severed heads

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Five severed heads have been found inside ice coolers by the side of a road in Mexico, police say.

A police patrol made the grim find in the central state of Jalisco, on a road leading to the city of Guadalajara.

The heads were found with messages addressed to rivals of the killers, who were assumed to be involved in Mexico's bitter and violent drug war.

Jalisco is close to Sinaloa state, scene of many high-profile killings and home to the powerful Sinaloa cartel.

The state is home to a number of key figures in the drug trade, including Mexico's most-wanted man, Joaquin "Shorty" Guzman.

Grim tactic

Mexico is currently in the midst of a battle between feuding drugs cartels.

The gangs are fighting a vicious turf war in the north of the country over lucrative smuggling routes into the US.

Police in Jalisco said the heads found on Tuesday were severed before being packed in ice and dumped by the roadside.

"They were recently severed heads, cut off about four hours before they were found," a spokesman said.

They were accompanied by a note thought to be from the killers threatening rival gangs.

Drug wars in Mexico have claimed thousands of lives in recent years, with more than 1,000 people killed already in 2009.

Some 186 people were decapitated during 2008 out of a total of 5,600 killed in total, Mexico's Human Rights Commission says.

In an effort to dampen the rising tide of murders, Mexico's president last week deployed thousands of troops to Ciudad Juarez, near the US border, to try to wrest control of the city from the gangs.
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
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#42
I too see this as a Nationsl Security issue. That combined with the utter mess the economy is in spells major disaster. I was thinking the other day that some of us should pool our efforts and write to every memeber of Congress, Senate etc. strongly suggesting that all drugs be legalized. Kill two birds with one stone. Get rid of the criminal element, tax the now legal drugs and thereby bring in a ton of revenue to aid our economy. Of course if we convinced every member- (fat chance Smile )- there would be the major issue of the CIA etc and their proprietary interest.
It would also drastically affect our law practice but that is a hit I'd gladly take.
Dawn
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#43
Fugitive drug lord makes Forbes' billionaire list

By MARK STEVENSON, Associated Press Writer Mark Stevenson, Associated Press Writer – Wed Mar 11, 10:37 pm ET

MEXICO CITY – Who says crime doesn't pay? A suspected drug lord who is Mexico's most-wanted fugitive made the Forbes list of billionaires on Wednesday with a fortune described as "self made."
The magazine estimates Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman's worth at $1 billion — No. 701 on the list, right between a Swiss oil-trading tycoon and a U.S. chemical heir. Dozens of other people were also tied for the spot.
It is unclear what Guzman thinks of the distinction. Forbes senior editor Luisa Kroll notes that "unfortunately ... Guzman could not be reached for comment."
Often described as Mexico's most powerful cartel kingpin, Guzman has been on the run with a $5 million reward on his head since 2001, when he escaped from prison apparently hidden in a laundry truck.
At the time, he was serving more than 20 years for criminal association and bribery. Mexican officials say he leads the Sinaloa drug gang, though Guzman has never been convicted on drug trafficking charges.
The government had no immediate comment on the listing, which includes an old photo of Guzman taken under police custody while wearing rumpled prison clothes unbefitting the world's alleged 701st-richest person.
Guzman, 54, is not the first drug trafficker to make the list; Forbes says Colombian cocaine kingpin Pablo Escobar was once included, before dying in a shootout with the South American nation's security forces in 1993.
"El Chapo," whose nickname refers to his short, stocky build, has been enjoying a bit of notoriety lately. Telemundo, the No. 2 Spanish-language television network in the United States, announced last year that it is working on a new docudrama based on Guzman's life.
Forbes cited estimates that Guzman and his operation likely grossed 20 percent of the $18 billion to $39 billion in drug revenues that Mexican and Colombian traffickers laundered last year — "enough for him to have pocketed $1 billion over his career and earn a spot on the billionaires list for the first time."
That figure, Kroll said, "is a conservative estimate based on the information we have." (end)


Guzman has 'CUT Deals' with US officials in three administrations.... (just like Escobar and Ochoa of the 80's) Cartel's investments and contributions to some or our elected officials money war chest and into their campagin funding must stop... We need to expose them ..,and in getting them we will get Guzman.

Now we have a 'Mexican border drug war; and soon our troops will be along the border and drawn into a bloody conflict on both sides of the border... Who finances all this and buys the weapons for the drug gangs and cartels?... Its time to get real and get our heads out of the sand (or other places) and demand our elected officials do somethin besides talk and hide from their sins.

Talk about "PORK?"
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#44
I just can't believe Forbes would include a (fugitive or otherwise) drug baron on their list, as it suggests mainstream acceptability.

Perhaps that is where we are these days --- crims are okay, after all they are the ultimate capitalists.

What a fooked up world we live in.
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
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David Guyatt Wrote:I just can't believe Forbes would include a (fugitive or otherwise) drug baron on their list, as it suggests mainstream acceptability.

Perhaps that is where we are these days --- crims are okay, after all they are the ultimate capitalists.

What a fooked up world we live in.

We David.... We can do somethinng... The President has an information phone number and website... This Forum should post what has been posted these past few weeks and forward some of the comments to them in DC He says he wants to know... Well lets tell him instead of pussy footing around Lets get all the information we can to that website ... articles, statements and the likes to the President as well as CBS, CNN, and any other Major Media; and not just say things and post, and gripe ..."well they won't do anything about it, because they are in with them"... well I feel we should expose them for what they are... I am on Point... ANYONE else out there willing to go on POINT with me? ...are we just going to bitch on forums and hide in the shadows because we are afraid?... (not directed at you David) Some know what and who I am talking to and about.... Thanks for the post David... later Tosh
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#46
My personal position is pretty clear on this issue: it'll make no difference writing to Obama or others in the body politic. The political system is well beyond salvage and Obama is a captured man.

But even though I'm a Brit and cynical beyond saving, I'm ready to write to Obama via the White House website and suggest he read some of the material on this site - and then sit back and see what happens.

Hopefully it won't result in a late night knock on the door with a nondescript private jet waiting at my local airport to whisk me off to Syria or Egypt for electroshock, water-boarding and testicular remodeling.

Views and thoughts of others?
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
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#47
Listened to the show, Tosh. Interesting, even if you told me [and others] that long ago!....and Castillo confirmed much, as did Mike Levine. the URL to listen to the show is on the post just above this one, folks. No admission charge.
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#48
David Guyatt Wrote:My personal position is pretty clear on this issue: it'll make no difference writing to Obama or others in the body politic. The political system is well beyond salvage and Obama is a captured man.

But even though I'm a Brit and cynical beyond saving, I'm ready to write to Obama via the White House website and suggest he read some of the material on this site - and then sit back and see what happens.

Hopefully it won't result in a late night knock on the door with a nondescript private jet waiting at my local airport to whisk me off to Syria or Egypt for electroshock, water-boarding and testicular remodeling.

Views and thoughts of others?


Well David that is a positive start. Now let us see others come forward and write those letters and sent the postings to Obama. He may be a "captured man" but only we the people can free him from those political chains. Cut and paste the info... focus on one subject for now, "The Mexica American Drug War" ask the questions... demand the answers... I have one: Where the hell is the State Department on this issue... What is the 'Homeland Security' doing? Where the hell is the American Ambassador to Mexico?

I think I can answer one of those questions... The Secretary of State has to keep a very low profile on this matter in order to protect someone very close to her? The cat will not be allowed to 'jump out of that bag' , on that secret deal.... follow the money into political contributions of old. We can't have that surfacing at this time; can we?.....OH! no, if so then one of those "Specialized Attack Teams" who play with the Dogs of War will be let loose for damage control...

Soon we will see just how strong our new President really is... who is shaking what trees in DC now days? "...testicular remodeling...". is the least of my worries today... been there and had that done to me years ago, in reference to this FRAUD in the Drug War.

Thanks David for taking a public stand... write the damn letters and post the information. Help us Americans Right a very serious WRONG. Later Tosh.
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Tosh Plumlee Wrote:?I think I can answer one of those questions... The Secretary of State has to keep a very low profile on this matter in order to protect someone very close to her? The cat will not be allowed to 'jump out of that bag' , on that secret deal.... follow the money into political contributions of old. We can't have that surfacing at this time; can we?.....OH! no, if so then one of those "Specialized Attack Teams" who play with the Dogs of War will be let loose for damage control...

http://www.ncoic.com/clinton.htm

ARKANSAS GOVERNOR BILL CLINTON
PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH
CIA DRUGS FOR GUNS CONNECTION

By
Paul DeRienzo

An independent group of researchers in Arkansas are charging that Governor Bill Clinton is covering up an airport used by the CIA and major cocaine smugglers in a remote corner of the Ozark mountains. According to Deborah Robinson of In These Times, the Inter mountain Regional Airport in Mena,Arkansas continues to be the hub of operations for people like assassinated cocaine kingpin Barry Seal as well as government intelligence operations linked to arms and drug smuggling.

In the 1980's, the Mena airport became one of the world's largest aircraft refurbishing centers, providing services to planes from many countries.Researchers claim that the largest consumers of aircraft refurbishing services are drug smugglers and intelligence agencies involved in covert activities.In fact, residents of Mena, Arkansas, have told reporters that former marine Lt. Colonel Oliver North was a frequent visitor during the 1980's. Eugene Hasenfus, a pilot who was shot down in a Contra supply plane over Nicaragua in 1986, was also seen in town renting cargo vehicles.

A federal Grand Jury looking into activities at the Mena airport refused to hand down any indictments after drug running charges were made public.Deborah Robinson says that Clinton had "ignored the situation" until he began his presidential campaign." Clinton then said he would provide money for a state run investigation of the Mena airport. But according to Robinson, the promise of an investigation was never followed up by Clinton's staff. In fact, a local Arkansas state prosecutor blasted Clinton's promise of an investigation, comparing it to "spitting on a forest fire."

Clinton's involvement in the drug and arms running goes even further than a mere cover-up of the deplorable activities that went on, and are still going on, at the airport in Mena. A federal mail fraud case against an Arkansas pilot-trainer who participated in illegal arms exports to Central Americarelied on a key Clinton staffer as a chief witness. The case was dismissedfor lack of evidence when the CIA refused to allow the discussion of top secret information about the arms transfers.

Terry Reed, a former employee of the CIA's Air America operation in Laos during the Indochina war, claims to have been recruited as a pilot trainer into the Iran operation by Oliver North. In an article written by David Gallis and published last year by Covert Action Information Bulletin, Reed said that in 1983 he had agreed to supply North's operatives with "certain items."

In pursuit of the Reagan administration's Contra war against the Sandinistas, the CIA had planted mines in Nicaragua's harbors. In 1984, Congress passed the Boland Amendment, which cut off US aid to the Contras. According to Reed, it was during this period that North aided him to become involved in a covert operation called "Project Donation". Reed was told he would be reimbursed for supplying the Contras by insurance companies that were linked to North's operation.,

Shortly afterwards, Reed reported the "theft" of Piper turbo-prop aircraft and he filed a $33,000 claim on which he eventually collected almost $7,000.

In late 1985, Reed received a phone call from an Air America buddy, William Cooper, a pilot working with Southern Air Transport, another CIA front company. Cooper also was working with soon to be murdered drug kingpin Barry Seal at the same time he was flying re-supply missions for the Contras. In 1986, he was shot down and killed over Nicaragua along with co-pilot Wallace Sawyer. The plane's cargo-kicker, Eugene Hasenfus, parachuted into the arms of waiting Sandinista soldiers. Video images of his capture spanned the world and forced an airing of a tiny part of US covert operations.

Sandinistas who recovered the downed cargo plane searched Cooper's pockets and found phone numbers linking the re-supply operation with Felix Rodriguez, an associate of George Bush, best known for murdering Che Guevara after his capture in Bolivia. To this day, Rodriguez, who works for the CIA, wears Che's watch as a trophy.

Reed says that Cooper told him that the stolen Piper would soon be returned and that he should store it in a hanger at Mena until the Hasenfus mess blew over. "There was a lot of Contra stuff going on in Arkansas." said Reed, "it was the hub."

Meanwhile, Reed went into business in Mexico with the blessing of Rodriguez, who was overseeing the Contra air re-supply operation in El Salvador. Reed's company used Mexico to export arms to the Contras, in violation of the Boland Amendment. Reed went down to Mexico and his operation continued for a year after the Iran-Contra story broke.

According to Arkansas Committee researcher Mark Swaney, in the summer of 1987, even as the ContraGate hearings were going on in Congress, Terry Reed began to suspect they were using his front company for something other than smuggling weapons. One day, he was looking for a lathe in one of his warehouses near the airport in Guadalajara and he opened up one of the very large air freight shipping containers (they are about 28' long, about 7' high and about 8' wide), and he found it packed full of cocaine.

Swaney reports that Reed realized he was in a very precarious situation because he was the only person on paper who had anything to do with the company set up to run guns to the Contras in Nicaragua out of Mexico and there was nobody to say that he did not know anything about what was going on. Reed decided he wasn't going to play the part of a patsy.

Swaney says that Reed's contact man for the CIA in Mexico was Felix Rodriguez, whom Reed confronted. Reed said that he hadn't bargained for getting into narcotics smuggling and that he was dropping out all together. Soon afterward, his legal problems began.

In a series of mysterious events, Reed was charged with mail fraud for claiming insurance for an aircraft that was used by North's network under Operation Donation. Reed, who was eventually acquitted of the charges, was picked up by the FBI after the missing plane was discovered in the Mena hanger where Reed had put the plane at Cooper's suggestion. The discovery was made by Clinton's security chief Buddy Young. Young testified that his discovery of the stolen plane was coincidental, an assertion federal Judge Frank Thiel said was unsupported by the facts.

Reed was charged with mail fraud for collecting insurance on the plane, but the CIA prevented prosecutors from releasing information they called "top, top secret," about the Rodriguez-North, Southern Air Transport connection. In November 1990, the prosecution admitted they couldn't prosecute Reed without the secret documents and Judge Thiel ordered Reed acquitted on all of the charges.

Allegations of Governor Bill Clinton's extra-marital sexual exploits originated with a 1990 lawsuit by Larry Nichols, a former Arkansas state employee. Nichols was fired by Clinton in 1988 after reporters discovered Nichols had been lobbying on behalf of the Contras from his office as head of the Arkansas Development Finance Authority.

The suit claimed that Clinton had lied when he said Nichols was fired because he was phoning the Contras directly from his state office. Nichols claimed he only called Washington to lobby on behalf of the Contras. In the suit, Nichols also revealed the affair between Clinton and office secretary Gennifer Flowers.

The suit was dropped by Nichols on January 25, 1992, after Gennifer Flowers went public with her story of the affair. Nichols told reporters that he decided to drop the suit after meeting with Clinton security chief Buddy Young- the same man who found Terry Reed's missing Piper aircraft at the Mena airport.

According to Arkansas Committee researcher Mark Swaney, Nichols said that Young had told him he was a "dead man." prompting Nichols to drop the suit. In public, Nichols says he dropped the suit because "the media have made a circus out of this thing and it's gone way too far."

In court documents recently released by Manhattan District Attorney Robert Morgenthau, it has been revealed that Jackson Stephens, a billionaire banker in Little Rock, Arkansas, and one of presidential candidate Bill Clinton's main supporters, may have played a key role in setting up the illegal purchase by the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI) of two American banks.

Both First American National Bank, the largest bank in Washington DC, and Georgia National Bank, were purchased by BCCI front man and Stephens business associate Gaith Pharon. Stephens' family bank, the Worthern National Bank,recently extended a two million dollar loan to the Clinton campaign.

Stephens, who is an avid golfer and chairman of the prestigious Masters Tournament Committee, is named in the court records as having brought Pharon together with Stephens' close friend Bert Lance. Lance was a former cabinet official under President Jimmy Carter who was forced to resign due to a banking scandal.

According to newspaper reports, BCCI founder Agha Hasan Abedi was introduced to Lance by Stephens. Stephens, Lance, and First American Bank director and longtime Democratic party power broker Clark Clifford all maintain that they did not know the group of Pakinstani and Saudi investors headed by Pharon, which they were dealing with, were actually fronting for BCCI. Clinton's staff has refused to comment.

Bill Clinton's environmental record has been as dismal as his record in the Iran-Contra scandal. He has supported the incineration of extremely toxic chemicals at a site in the city of Jacksonville, 20 miles from Little Rock, that is reputed to be the most polluted spot in the United States. Jacksonville was the site of Hercules Inc., a company that produced the two components of Agent Orange, 2,4 D, which is still used in agriculture and 2,4,5,T, which was banned by the federal government in 1983 as a carcinogen. Agent Orange was used to defoliate Vietnamese forests during the Indochina war and its production yields the by- product dioxin, the most toxic chemical known on earth.

Hercules sold the operation in 1976 to Vertac Inc., which closed the plant in 1987, leaving behind 20,000 barrels of the chemicals. Gov. Bill Clinton supports a plan to incinerate the waste, a plan that is being vigorously opposed by the residents of Jacksonville.

In These Times reporter Deborah Robinson says that Clinton has allowed Arkansas to become a dumping ground. "Arkansas" she says, "is still kind of a backwoods state and there's a lot of room for someone to set up whatever they want to set up and Arkansas has been exploited by people who have things they want to do that they might no get away with somewhere else." Robinson adds, "there are a lot of questions about what Somebody like Clinton would do for a country when he couldn't do anything for his own state."
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
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David Guyatt Wrote:[quote=Tosh Plumlee]?I think I can answer one of those questions... The Secretary of State has to keep a very low profile on this matter in order to protect someone very close to her? The cat will not be allowed to 'jump out of that bag' , on that secret deal.... follow the money into political contributions of old. We can't have that surfacing at this time; can we?.....OH! no, if so then one of those "Specialized Attack Teams" who play with the Dogs of War will be let loose for damage control...

Thanks David for posting the article:

(perhaps we could have the date of that article)


Yes, I know. I have flown into Mena many times, although not with drugs. There was a company there who had a defense contract to repair and service C-130's. In fact 60 min did a small srory there and they film a C-130 taxing to "Richmont Aviation" with a 'Pirates' flag sticking out the window. I was the pilot who flew that aircraft into Mena. (documented)

As the Senator Hart letter of 1990 shows and the letter from Art Goodtimes of the Telluride Times, points out I introduced Art to Bill Cooper (the pilot killed in the shoot down of the C-123) at the Floradora Sloon in Telluride Colorado in 1984, before the Iran Contra affair was known about. ( better known as,Guns for Drugs) Thanks again for your postings)


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