It is time for the JFK Research Community to admit that Conspiracy Research has been successfully defeated by means of the Education Forum and its influence...

This has been perpetrated by means of the allowance of Lone Nutterism on the board under the guise of tolerance of differing opinions...

It is 2023...It has been long proven there was a conspiracy that strongly points towards government involvement in Kennedy's assassination...So the allowance of denial of this fact under the guise of tolerance of differing opinions has given undue legitimacy to what is basically a denial movement...Lone Nutters gain false legitimacy by being allowed to present what is now understood to be a false position...They enjoy the benefit of forcing Conspiracy Theorists to prove the same points over and over in order to satisfy their denial...

There is a second source for the defeat of Conspiracy Research...Bogus websites like Greg Parker's ROKC site have used moderation and membership control to give false venue to what is basically crazy research...If you don't see that Greg Parker is a person driven by mischievous compulsion to permanently damage credible research by inventing lunatic revisions of the main evidence then there's nothing I can say to you...Parker is an evidence gremlin...It is highly unfortunate that one of the community's foremost researchers continues to give irresponsible praise to Parker and his vandalism...This trend to avoid academic rigor by means of independent websites has caused great damage to credible conspiracy research...It is an abuse of the internet for dubious purposes by questionable characters...These people tend to form majorities that then result in false consensus'...They have succeeded in ingratiating themselves and used that familiarity to hijack the JFK internet...Pet theories like Prayer Man gain undue support due to this dynamic...

As it stands, the main impediment to credible JFK conspiracy research is not the Lone Nutters...It is actually this clique and those who call themselves the main conspiracy researchers...The main center of gravity for this corruption is the Education Forum and the acceptance of the moderation by the Conspiracy Theorists members who regularly attend that site...The fact that those conspiracy theorist members are forced to accept the Lone Nutters has been expanded in to acceptance of the denial of good conspiracy research by conspiracy theorists...The Education Forum is much more popular with Conspiracy researchers than is the Deep Politics website that was designed to counter it...This has led to CT-ers adopting and accepting the denial of good conspiracy research and also accepting its denial by means of unfair banning and ignoring...This corrupted oversight has led to an informal clique of main Conspiracy researchers who operate in a presumptive way...Because the CT research internet has been hijacked by the artificial premise of confronting Lone Nutters there is now zero scrutiny of Conspiracy claims whether valid or invalid...In short, the main Conspiracy Theorists who now use the Education Forum as their posting space are using the Education Forum and its bogus moderation as a means to deny seriously important Conspiracy evidence and therefore betraying their own cause...The only hope for an unfairly banned CT-er on the Education Forum is that Forum's CT members...Those members have collectively betrayed their own principles and remain silent when it comes to a member being unfairly banned for correct CT evidence...This issue has pretty much killed JFK Conspiracy research and directly prevented a solving of the case...All so CT-ers can trade visibility on a popular website for research integrity...All so the clique can have its way and not be challenged...

In 2018 I discovered one of the most important new evidence discoveries in JFK Conspiracy research history...I discovered that Sarah Stanton ran in to Oswald hiding out on the 2nd Floor staircase landing waiting for Mrs Reid to clear out the ladies from the 2nd Floor Lunch Room...Stanton thought Oswald was a loner who was going to miss the motorcade so she went out to the landing and asked him if he wanted to go downstairs and watch the motorcade with her...Oswald responded "No, I'm going back in to the Break Room"...That Break Room was the 2nd Floor Lunch Room where Carolyn Arnold would see Oswald alone eating lunch shortly after...Because I dared exert my skill and out-argued the clique and its favored members on the Prayer Man issue, proving Prayer Man was Sarah Stanton, and bursting the bubble of one of the clique's pet theories, I am being retaliated against in a shamefully crude way by being ignored, even though I have produced something that would normally incur notation in the research community...The only two sources that recognized it were Vinny Palamara in 'Honest Answers' and Richard Gilbride in 'Inside Job'...Other than that, the clique and that monster Gordon have pretty much disappeared my discovery from research annals... 

Again - it is not Lone Nutters who killed the advancement of the final solving of the conspiracy...The people who did it are firmly Conspiracy Researchers and they did it via the Education Forum and its false consensus in order to maintain their clique...

Andrej Stancak has attempted to answer my Altgens/Wiegman challenge on his "JFKTruthMatters" blog...Typical of Stancak he does so on a remote website no one knows about with no attempt to post it where it will be noticed (The Education Forum)...

Andrej is ignoring my proof and sticking to his bogus claim that the partial face seen in between Lovelady & Shelley in Altgens is indeed Sarah Stanton...Stancak is doing this because he is trying to place Stanton somewhere other than Prayer Man...If Stanton is the tiny face then she can't be Prayer Man...If you take the time to endure Andrej's lengthy pseudo-analysis in the attached link you will understand his case...

However, as Andrej manages to do every time, he once again refutes himself and proves my case that Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton...

Please observe Andrej's "Figure 4" photo evidence in his article and take notice of his locating and identifying the synchronized frames between Altgens 6 and Wiegman...This part of his research is correct and can be seen as being so by the naked eye because the people in the images are in the exact same positions in both photos...Altgens 6 is equal to Wiegman Z256 or so...

If you review Stancak's case he attempts to justify his claim that Stanton is the little face in between Lovelady & Shelley by drawing an outline over what he claims is the faint image of Stanton in the shadows between Lovelady & Shelley...

I'm presenting this evidence as a skill test to see if anyone else can figure-out the fatal mistake Stancak has made in his lengthy analysis here...The dysfunctional research community, that is run by James Gordon, has created a situation where I cannot bring this to the attention of the Education Forum where I could prove my credibility and quickly dispatch Stancak and his Prayer Man rubbish in short order...Gordon has succeeded in making skilled debate, like that I offer, a site rules offense and treats brilliant argument as if it was a rules violation that needed to be quickly gotten off the board...Because of this backwards moderation the place where my final demolishing of the Prayer Man theory needs to be shown will never host this definitive proof...

I'm posting this in the hope that someone else will see the fatal mistake Stancak made and how it disproves ten years of his pseudo-analysis in one move...This is indeed a good example of how contradicting proof was ignored in the formulating of the Prayer Man theory...Oh, by the way...The partial face in between Lovelady & Shelley in Altgens 6 is Pauline Sanders...Altgens' telephoto lens makes it look like she is in between Lovelady & Shelley when she is actually well behind them and against the glass to the east side of the door:



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Katherine Pollard Griggs, former wife of Marine Corps Colonel George Griggs learned about her husband's job. Her husband would drink too much and he started talking openly about the real workings of the U.S. military, leadership training, drug-running and weapons sales, and the secret worldwide camps that train professional assassins. His stories were about murder, corruption, assassinations, and government lies. After he disappeared for a short time, she began receiving threats and decided to tell her story.

Kay is a professing Christian and was married to Marine Corps Colonel George Griggs in the late 1980s, who raised to an influential position as Chief of Staff. She came to realize that he was entirely mind-controlled. He abused and battered her when he drank.

This interlinks with part 1.

But Sy Hersh is simply full of it on the Kennedys.

I think he is trying to salvage the beating he took on his book back in 1997.  Some of the stuff he is writing is just balderdash.

So I hope this helps correct the record.  The emperor is wearing no clothes.

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In the spring of 2001 I was walking to the whirlpool spa at our community pool for my evening dip in the hot tub...When I got to the end of my driveway I noticed a mid-sized smallish car driving by with two dark-complected individuals with strange expressions on their faces...The car may have been a red Pontiac Grand Prix, I'm not really sure...From their look and expressions the first thought that came to my mind is "those guys look like arab terrorists"...You had to be there to catch the frozen moment of the vibe that was translated to me from seeing those guys as they drove by...At that time of the year the setting sun comes down my street just perfectly so the inside of the car and them were lit up in a particularly illuminating way that only added to the experience...I pondered the weirdness of it and kept walking to the hot tub...When I got a few houses further down the street an Audi (or similar french make) appeared with two men in tan trench coats in the front seats...If you were to make a movie where you were trying to dress two spooks in trench coats to make them look like classic spies that is what these guys looked like...I looked at them and they were zoned on the two guys in the car ahead of them in a strange sort of a trance...The sun was evening lighting directly down the street so it went deep in to their eyes and lighted the inside of the car in a way that only enhanced the effect...The two spooks did not take their eyes off the car ahead once in the whole time they passed me...They were strongly transfixed on that car...The two greying men were in their early 60's which makes me think these were senior Intel agents, the type who would be trusted with the highest level assignments...Of course I didn't think that as they passed...All I thought at the time was "Those guys are definitely tracking those two other guys and I definitely just witnessed something strange"...I shrugged my shoulders and went to the hot tub for a relaxing whirlpool...On September 11th I was sleeping late and woke to the phone ringing...My parents were driving on their way to a visit in New York and were somewhere around Baltimore...They called me to find out if I had heard about the attack...I shook off my drowsiness and turned on CNN on the little kitchen TV...I immediately thought to myself that the 1993 terrorists had "finished the job"...Over the course of that day photos of the terrorists started appearing in the media...I can't remember how long it took for it to come back to me but that one suicide pilot Mohammed Atta had a particularly unique "Frankenstein" look to his face...It was bugging me that I had seen it somewhere before and eventually it came back to me that he was the guy driving that first car that I saw when I got to the end of the driveway...I think the passenger was Shehhi...I didn't get as good a look at the passenger but he was definitely one of his cohorts...This is not as crazy as it sounds because the light airport where they trained in Cessna's is only 30 miles from here...I have never made this public because I didn't want to get killed or be taken as a nut...But there is no doubt that Atta and maybe Shehhi were well on the radar of some government's Intelligence agency months before the attack...

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In the past decade Greg Parker-associated researchers have succeeded in advancing the idea that the Lunch Room Encounter never happened and was designed to lead the public away from Oswald being on the front steps during the shooting...I was surprised to see well-known conspiracy authors and sources promote this claim and do so on the basis of the Parker/Kamp evidence...


In 2018 I interviewed Sarah Stanton's grand daughter Wanda in order to get information on Sarah that would help prove the Prayer Man evidence...It was during the preliminary phone call to that interview that Wanda told me the unexpected bonus that Sarah heard Oswald say he wasn't going out to watch the motorcade but intended to go back in to the "Break Room" instead...Sarah had encountered Oswald hiding out on the 2nd Floor staircase landing on her way out to watch the motorcade...Wanda told me Sarah thought Oswald was a loner who was going to miss the president so she asked him if he wanted to go downstairs with her to go watch the motorcade...In that preliminary phone call Wanda said "The way I remember it was Oswald said he was not going out to watch the motorcade but intended to go back in to the 'Break Room' instead"...That "Break Room" was obviously the 2nd Floor Lunch Room adjacent to the staircase landing where Carolyn Arnold would see Oswald alone eating his lunch moments later...This evidence is huge and finally corroborates Carolyn Arnold...What was the research community's reaction to it?...They ignored it...Only Richard Gilbride gave it mention in his book 'JFK Inside Job' and Vince Palamara also gave it a full page in his latest 'JFK Honest Answers'...But that was it and it is like I never even made the discovery with the main Greg Parker-befriending researchers who dominate the JFK internet...The most important evidence discovery in 45 years went ignored...


The conclusions from here are easy...For those who have researched the assassination deeply it is quite apparent that Oswald was assigned the 2nd Floor Lunch Room to keep him from being seen on the 1st Floor where he would have been arrested, or would have been exonerated from being on the 6th Floor shooting Kennedy...Oswald was also being kept from the 6th Floor where he might realize what was going on and try to stop it...It is quite clear by now, and especially with this important new discovery, that Oswald was ordered to be in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room where he would be out of the way in order to be framed...There were 3 wild cards, however, that the plotters didn't plan on...The first was Sarah Stanton who heard Oswald say he intended to go back in to the 2nd Floor Lunch Room...The second was Carolyn Arnold, whose pregnancy caused her to unexpectedly poke in to the 2nd Floor Lunch Room at 12:25, and the third was Marrion Baker whose seeing pigeons fly off the roof of the Depository caused him to get in there fast...As far as the Lunch Room Encounter Baker is the one who counts the most...


The reason why Roy Truly tracked and followed Baker in to the Depository is because he knew he had to control any authorities who might intrude on the set-up...Truly wasn't guiding Baker as much as controlling him so his taking Baker to the NW elevators was more of a run around than anything else...The fates had conspired to foil the plan of concealing Oswald in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room and done so poetically and by pure chance...


As it turns out, the carnage witnessed by Victoria Adams and Sandra Styles caused the girls to get an adrenaline rush that made them bolt from the windows and down the stairs...Mrs Garner said the girls were already gone by the time she turned to talk to them...The commotion the girls made as they bolted down the stairs caused Oswald to get up from the seat Carolyn Arnold saw him in and walk over to the Lunch Room vestibule window and look out at the staircase to see who else might be running down the stairs...Oswald was assigned to the 2nd Floor Lunch Room so he went as far as the vestibule window where he would not break his orders...And it was in that same vestibule door window that Oswald was standing when he unexpectedly saw a cop arrive on the staircase landing...Not expecting the worst witness he could have feared in the form of a cop, Oswald flinched back from the vestibule window and retreated in to the Lunch Room...Baker saw that guilty flinching and his cop instincts immediately pursued Oswald in to the Lunch Room...


If you are a skilled researcher you'll notice that Baker was very fuzzy in his Commission testimony when he described exactly how he detected Oswald in that door window:


    Mr. BAKER. As I came out to the second floor (there, Mr. Truly was ahead of me, and as I come out I was kind of scanning, you know, the rooms, and I caught a glimpse of this man walking away from this-1 happened to see him through this window in this door. I don’t know how come I saw him, but I had a glimpse of him coming down there. Mr. DULLES. Where was he coming from, do you know? Mr. BAKEB. No, sir. All I seen of him was a glimpse of him go away from me. Mr. BELIN. What did you do then? Mr. BAKER. I ran on over there...



Baker is lying here...That's why he's having trouble forming the words...He knows damned-well that he saw Oswald slack-jawed, flat-footed, and stationary in that vestibule window staring back at him and when Oswald saw a cop he flinched back and went in to the Lunch Room...Baker knows he can't say it directly because if Oswald was standing there looking out at the staircase that means he didn't just run down from the 6th Floor...Baker was a wild card they didn't expect and he witnessed something that was damning to the conspiracy...Truly's attempt to lead Baker past Oswald and up the stairs didn't work...Truly would never be able to admit he saw Oswald in that window when he ran by just ahead of Baker...Baker and Truly also saw Oswald's lunch on the table - which evidenced the fact he had been in there the whole time eating lunch just like he told Stanton...In his recent book Buell Frazier admitted that a fellow employee told him a partly-eaten cheese sandwich and apple were seen on that table after the assassination...The un-named employee who told him that was probably Truly...There's no way Baker & Truly missed that lunch on the table...All this confirms the scenario above and reinforces it with a causal dimension...Carolyn Arnold said Oswald was eating his lunch...Oswald heard Adams & Styles clatter by and got up to go watch the staircase...It's the only way it can be according to the evidence...It also explains why Mrs Garner never saw or heard Oswald running past her on the 4th Floor staircase landing...Oswald was in the Lunch Room from when Carolyn Arnold saw him to when Truly & Baker saw him in that same place 6 minutes later...


Further reinforcing this is the fact FBI lied, like they did with Carolyn Arnold, and had Stanton saying she never saw Oswald that day...Wanda told me that Sarah kept repeating the story of seeing Oswald outside the 2nd Floor Lunch Room to relatives at family gatherings...No doubt Sarah was perplexed that her story never appeared anywhere...If you are an advanced researcher you'll understand that this now puts new light on Mrs Reid who was most-likely an Intel operative whose assignment was to clear the 2nd Floor Lunch Room for Oswald by ginning-up the ladies with progress reports of the motorcade...Oswald was aware of this which is why he was hiding-out on the staircase landing where Stanton unexpectedly encountered him...A true coordinated CIA black operation comes in to focus and starts to gel...    


In any case it is time the conspiracy research community tighten up its act and stop making itself receptive to Greg Parker's disinformation...A decade of wild goose-chasing fanciful theories for clicks has done enough damage for one lifetime...These puzzle pieces are seriously valid and advance the best evidence to a plausible putting of the final puzzle together...Like Gilbride said, it is time to stop basing research on social media friendships and recognize the best and brightest...Anything less is demeaning to the cause...