12-01-2018, 05:36 PM (This post was last modified: 12-01-2018, 05:48 PM by Alan Ford.)
Before a hastily contrived script was created the next day (after the fact), note precisely where Marrion Baker's same day encounter occurs w/someone other than the wrongly accused (Mr. Oswald) ----->
[FONT=&]AFFIDAVIT IN ANY FACT [/FONT] [FONT=&]THE STATE OF TEXAS [/FONT] [FONT=&]COUNTY OF DALLAS[/FONT][FONT=&]BEFORE ME, Mary Rattan, a Notary Public in and for said County, State of Texas, on this day personally appeared M. L. Baker, Patrolman Dallas Police Department who, after being by me duly sworn, on oath deposes and says:[/FONT] [FONT=&]
Friday November 22, 1963 I was riding motorcycle escort for the President of the United States. At approximately 12:30 pm I was on Houston Street and the President's car had made a left turn from Houston onto Elm Street. Just as I approached Elm Street and Houston I heard three shots. I realized those shots were rifle shots and I began to try to figure out where they came from. I decided the shots had come from the building on the northwest corner of Elm and Houston. This building is used by the Board of Education for book storage. I jumped off my motor and ran inside the building. As I entered the door I saw several people standing around. I asked these people where the stairs were. A man stepped forward and stated he was the building manager and that he would show me where the stairs were. I followed the man to the rear of the building and he said, "Let's take the elevator." The elevator was hung several floors up so we used the stairs instead. As we reached the third or fourth floor I saw a man walking away from the stairway. I called to the man and he turned around and came back toward me. The manager said, "I know that man, he works here." I then turned the man loose and went up to the top floor. The man I saw was a white man approximately 30 years old, 5'9", 165 pounds, dark hair and wearing a light brown jacket.[/FONT] [FONT=&]
s/ M. L. Baker[/FONT] [FONT=&]
SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN BEFORE ME THIS 22 DAY OF November A.D. 1963[/FONT] [FONT=&]/s/ Mary Rattan[/FONT] [FONT=&]Notary Public, Dallas County, Texas[/FONT]
1. No mention of crossing the floor some 20-30 feet, let alone entering a lunchroom.
2. rather than cross the floor, Baker tells us, quote, I then turned the man loose and went up to the top floor. [FONT=&]3. The man came back to Baker on the stairway.
The same day encounter rings true. Anything else--after the stated facts above-- is indicative of a hastily contrived script brought to you by a trio of liars (Mrs. Reid, Baker, Roy "nothing true about him" Truly.
Speaking of Roy Truly, here in his own words he implicates himself ---->
[/FONT]BELIN. When did you get over to the southeast corner of the sixth floor?
Mr. TRULY. That I can't answer. I don't remember when I went over there. It was sometime before I learned that they had found either the rifle or the spent shell cases.
Why was Roy Truly over in the sniper's nest before the authorities actually found any incriminating "evidence"? [FONT=&]
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What is clearly obvious here is the importance of initial-fact-oriented statements as oppose to hastily contrived scripting at a much later time...
[/FONT]Mr. BELIN. Did he state it was on what floor?
Mr. HOLMES. First floor. The front entrance to the first floor.[FONT=&]
and. of course, the genuine encounter of Marrioin Baker ---->
[/FONT] [FONT=&]AFFIDAVIT IN ANY FACT [/FONT] [FONT=&]THE STATE OF TEXAS [/FONT] [FONT=&]COUNTY OF DALLAS[/FONT][FONT=&]BEFORE ME, Mary Rattan, a Notary Public in and for said County, State of Texas, on this day personally appeared M. L. Baker, Patrolman Dallas Police Department who, after being by me duly sworn, on oath deposes and says:[/FONT] [FONT=&]
Friday November 22, 1963 I was riding motorcycle escort for the President of the United States. At approximately 12:30 pm I was on Houston Street and the President's car had made a left turn from Houston onto Elm Street. Just as I approached Elm Street and Houston I heard three shots. I realized those shots were rifle shots and I began to try to figure out where they came from. I decided the shots had come from the building on the northwest corner of Elm and Houston. This building is used by the Board of Education for book storage. I jumped off my motor and ran inside the building. As I entered the door I saw several people standing around. I asked these people where the stairs were. A man stepped forward and stated he was the building manager and that he would show me where the stairs were. I followed the man to the rear of the building and he said, "Let's take the elevator." The elevator was hung several floors up so we used the stairs instead. As we reached the third or fourth floor I saw a man walking away from the stairway. I called to the man and he turned around and came back toward me. The manager said, "I know that man, he works here." I then turned the man loose and went up to the top floor. The man I saw was a white man approximately 30 years old, 5'9", 165 pounds, dark hair and wearing a light brown jacket.[/FONT] [FONT=&]
s/ M. L. Baker[/FONT] [FONT=&]
SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN BEFORE ME THIS 22 DAY OF November A.D. 1963[/FONT] [FONT=&]/s/ Mary Rattan[/FONT] [FONT=&]Notary Public, Dallas County, Texas
anything more than the above is simply a hastily contrived script after the fact. Major difference between the stairway and a lunchroom clear across the open floor some 20-30 feet away.
[/FONT]Care to elaborate further, Roy Truly ---->
BELIN. When did you get over to the southeast corner of the sixth floor?
Mr. TRULY. That I can't answer. I don't remember when I went over there. It was sometime before I learned that they had found either the rifle or the spent shell cases.
Is this a good time for yet another , quote, "Discussion off the record" ?
While Roy continues to stumble upon his "truth", What say ye, Mr. Holmes ---->
Mr. BELIN. Did he state it was on what floor?
Mr. HOLMES. First floor. The front entrance to the first floor.
Not the 2nd floor...nor the back entrance...for clarity sake, Mr. Holmes, once again sir @ precisely where ---->
Mr. BELIN. Did he state it was on what floor?
Mr. HOLMES. First floor. The front entrance to the first floor.
The stairway and lunchroom, here are photos of the stairway and the TSBD lunchroom some 20-30 feet away from the stairway...Let's Be Clear About Where Baker Makes His Actual Encounter...
and clear across the floor some 20-30 feet away from the stairway
Once again, for clarification sake, What does Marrion Baker's same day affidavit reveal ---->
AFFIDAVIT IN ANY FACT THE STATE OF TEXAS COUNTY OF DALLASBEFORE ME, Mary Rattan, a Notary Public in and for said County, State of Texas, on this day personally appeared M. L. Baker, Patrolman Dallas Police Department who, after being by me duly sworn, on oath deposes and says:
Friday November 22, 1963 I was riding motorcycle escort for the President of the United States. At approximately 12:30 pm I was on Houston Street and the President's car had made a left turn from Houston onto Elm Street. Just as I approached Elm Street and Houston I heard three shots. I realized those shots were rifle shots and I began to try to figure out where they came from. I decided the shots had come from the building on the northwest corner of Elm and Houston. This building is used by the Board of Education for book storage. I jumped off my motor and ran inside the building. As I entered the door I saw several people standing around. I asked these people where the stairs were. A man stepped forward and stated he was the building manager and that he would show me where the stairs were. I followed the man to the rear of the building and he said, "Let's take the elevator." The elevator was hung several floors up so we used the stairs instead. As we reached the third or fourth floor I saw a man walking away from the stairway. I called to the man and he turned around and came back toward me. The manager said, "I know that man, he works here." I then turned the man loose and went up to the top floor. The man I saw was a white man approximately 30 years old, 5'9", 165 pounds, dark hair and wearing a light brown jacket.
s/ M. L. Baker
SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN BEFORE ME THIS 22 DAY OF November A.D. 1963 /s/ Mary Rattan Notary Public, Dallas County, Texas
1. No mention of crossing the floor some 20-30 feet, let alone entering a lunchroom. 2. rather than cross the floor, Baker tells us, quote, I then turned the man loose and went up to the top floor. 3. The man came back to Baker on [B]the stairway. [/B] Major difference between the stairway and the lunchroom.
Of course, in their haste to lie to FRAME the wrongly accused (Mr. Oswald) those responsible for the hastily contrived next day script-in-progress failed to pull a James Hosty on Baker's same day affidavit. OOPS!
Alan Ford Wrote:The stairway and lunchroom, here are photos of the stairway and the TSBD lunchroom some 20-30 feet away from the stairway...Let's Be Clear About Where Baker Makes His Actual Encounter...
and clear across the floor some 20-30 feet away from the stairway
Once again, for clarification sake, What does Marrion Baker's same day affidavit reveal ---->
AFFIDAVIT IN ANY FACT THE STATE OF TEXAS COUNTY OF DALLASBEFORE ME, Mary Rattan, a Notary Public in and for said County, State of Texas, on this day personally appeared M. L. Baker, Patrolman Dallas Police Department who, after being by me duly sworn, on oath deposes and says:
Friday November 22, 1963 I was riding motorcycle escort for the President of the United States. At approximately 12:30 pm I was on Houston Street and the President's car had made a left turn from Houston onto Elm Street. Just as I approached Elm Street and Houston I heard three shots. I realized those shots were rifle shots and I began to try to figure out where they came from. I decided the shots had come from the building on the northwest corner of Elm and Houston. This building is used by the Board of Education for book storage. I jumped off my motor and ran inside the building. As I entered the door I saw several people standing around. I asked these people where the stairs were. A man stepped forward and stated he was the building manager and that he would show me where the stairs were. I followed the man to the rear of the building and he said, "Let's take the elevator." The elevator was hung several floors up so we used the stairs instead. As we reached the third or fourth floor I saw a man walking away from the stairway. I called to the man and he turned around and came back toward me. The manager said, "I know that man, he works here." I then turned the man loose and went up to the top floor. The man I saw was a white man approximately 30 years old, 5'9", 165 pounds, dark hair and wearing a light brown jacket.
s/ M. L. Baker
SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN BEFORE ME THIS 22 DAY OF November A.D. 1963 /s/ Mary Rattan Notary Public, Dallas County, Texas
1. No mention of crossing the floor some 20-30 feet, let alone entering a lunchroom. 2. rather than cross the floor, Baker tells us, quote, I then turned the man loose and went up to the top floor. 3. The man came back to Baker on [B]the stairway. [/B] Major difference between the stairway and the lunchroom.
Of course, in their haste to lie to FRAME the wrongly accused (Mr. Oswald) those responsible for the hastily contrived next day script-in-progress failed to pull a James Hosty on Baker's same day affidavit. OOPS!
[size=12]Pictures worth a thousand words? I don't believe these two in this post meet that threshold. In any event, DPD MotorcyclePatrolOfficer ML Baker, while escorting the JFKSr presidential motorcade, basically witnessed the crime of the 20th century, then dismounted his motorcycle and helped conduct an early search of the TSBD Building, a likely origin of the shots, and then returned to his escort duty. And, apparently sometime later that day, he provided a same day Affidavit In Fact of his experience, with a general account, void of minute details that had an unknown value early on.
Later, I believe on March 25, 1964, Office ML Baker gave a sworn statement/testimony containing a thorough account of his experience on November 22, 1963. That testimony included minute details that then had a better known and/or perceived value that he had some time to recall, review, and understand. And, that thoughtful and thorough testimony is available. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/baker_m1.htm
14-01-2018, 12:02 AM (This post was last modified: 14-01-2018, 10:26 AM by LR Trotter.)
Alan Ford Wrote:[FONT=&]The 2nd floor lunchroom encounter simply came to be the next day after a hastily contrived script needed to be fulfilled.
All we have to do here is take an honest look at Officer Marrion Baker's same day account of the actual events, and the actual individual he encountered ---->
[/FONT]AFFIDAVIT IN ANY FACT THE STATE OF TEXAS COUNTY OF DALLAS
BEFORE ME, Mary Rattan, a Notary Public in and for said County, State of Texas, on this day personally appeared M. L. Baker, Patrolman Dallas Police Department who, after being by me duly sworn, on oath deposes and says:
Friday November 22, 1963 I was riding motorcycle escort for the President of the United States. At approximately 12:30 pm I was on Houston Street and the President's car had made a left turn from Houston onto Elm Street. Just as I approached Elm Street and Houston I heard three shots. I realized those shots were rifle shots and I began to try to figure out where they came from. I decided the shots had come from the building on the northwest corner of Elm and Houston. This building is used by the Board of Education for book storage. I jumped off my motor and ran inside the building. As I entered the door I saw several people standing around. I asked these people where the stairs were. A man stepped forward and stated he was the building manager and that he would show me where the stairs were. I followed the man to the rear of the building and he said, "Let's take the elevator." The elevator was hung several floors up so we used the stairs instead. As we reached the third or fourth floor I saw a man walking away from the stairway. I called to the man and he turned around and came back toward me. The manager said, "I know that man, he works here." I then turned the man loose and went up to the top floor. The man I saw was a white man approximately 30 years old, 5'9", 165 pounds, dark hair and wearing a light brown jacket.
s/ M. L. Baker SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN BEFORE ME THIS 22 DAY OF November A.D. 1963 /s/ Mary Rattan Notary Public, Dallas County, Texas[FONT=&]
One simple question--given Baker's actual recording of his actual encounter (specifically where it really happened, the stairway, How did the encounter suddenly move away from the stairway all the way over across the floor...over into the lunchroom?[/FONT] [FONT=&]
Critical thinkers know why, because the phantom 2nd floor encounter did not happen until the next day...when a hastily contrived script created the lunchroom phantom encounter, an encounter that needed several tweaks to determine if the wrongly accused was sitting; standing; nursing a Coke; was empty handed void of a Coke; etc, etc, etc any lie will do until the hastily contrived script could be refined to even resemble truth (Roy Truly's "truth").
There is a major difference between encountering someone walking away from you on the stairway as oppose to moving the encountering clear across the floor away from the stairway, and over into a lunchroom.
Baker's same day affidavit rings true. Anything else is a hastily contrived script after the fact.[/FONT]
I suppose one has to wonder, as they wander, why there is such an ongoing effort to remove the 2nd Floor LunchRoom Encounter from the history of the events of 11/22/'63?
I believe TSBD Building Superintendent RS Truly testified that soon after he entered the stairway from the 2nd floor to the 3rd floor, he noticed that DPD Officer ML Baker, whom Mr Truly was escorting to the top floor/roof of the TSBD, was no longer following him, so he turned around and upon reaching the 2nd floor, he could hear voices coming from the lunchroom area. And, there he found Mr Baker encountering TSBD Building Employee LeeHarveyOswald.
I do believe that the testimony of DPD Officer ML Baker confirms the 2nd floor lunchroom encounter and affirms the testimony of TSBD Building Superintendent RS Truly.
Again, those of us that can recall the afternoon CST of 11/22/'63, should, and surely most do, also recall the ambiguity of the early news reports of the JFKSr assassination attempt and shooting that also wounded JBCJr, as well as the apparent chaos, especially in Dallas, TX, surrounding the event including the fatal shooting of DPD Officer JD Tippit about 45 minutes later. And, that state of chaos, enhanced with the news that JFKSr had been fatally wounded, continued through the weekend, including the 11/24/'63 fatal shooting of the then accused assassination shooter, LH Oswald, who as well was the accused shooter of Officer Tippit..
16-01-2018, 06:07 PM (This post was last modified: 16-01-2018, 07:12 PM by Alan Ford.)
Key Points to Ponder:
*Mr. Holmes, Where did Marrion Baker really encounter the wrongly accused?
Mr. BELIN. Did he state it was on what floor?
Mr. HOLMES. First floor. The front entrance to the first floor.
*Mr. Baker, according to your same day affidavit, Where did you actually encounter someone up on an upper-floor other than the wrongly accused?
AFFIDAVIT IN ANY FACT THE STATE OF TEXAS COUNTY OF DALLASBEFORE ME, Mary Rattan, a Notary Public in and for said County, State of Texas, on this day personally appeared M. L. Baker, Patrolman Dallas Police Department who, after being by me duly sworn, on oath deposes and says:
Friday November 22, 1963 I was riding motorcycle escort for the President of the United States. At approximately 12:30 pm I was on Houston Street and the President's car had made a left turn from Houston onto Elm Street. Just as I approached Elm Street and Houston I heard three shots. I realized those shots were rifle shots and I began to try to figure out where they came from. I decided the shots had come from the building on the northwest corner of Elm and Houston. This building is used by the Board of Education for book storage. I jumped off my motor and ran inside the building. As I entered the door I saw several people standing around. I asked these people where the stairs were. A man stepped forward and stated he was the building manager and that he would show me where the stairs were. I followed the man to the rear of the building and he said, "Let's take the elevator." The elevator was hung several floors up so we used the stairs instead. As we reached the third or fourth floor I saw a man walking away from the stairway. I called to the man and he turned around and came back toward me. The manager said, "I know that man, he works here." I then turned the man loose and went up to the top floor. The man I saw was a white man approximately 30 years old, 5'9", 165 pounds, dark hair and wearing a light brown jacket.
s/ M. L. Baker
SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN BEFORE ME THIS 22 DAY OF November A.D. 1963 /s/ Mary Rattan Notary Public, Dallas County, Texas
*Roy Truly, Why were YOU over in the sniper's nest before the authorities found key "evidence"?
BELIN. When did you get over to the southeast corner of the sixth floor?
Mr. TRULY. That I can't answer. I don't remember when I went over there. It was sometime before I learned that they had found either the rifle or the spent shell cases.
Pleading the 5[SUP]th[/SUP], Roy Truly?
Cat got your tongue?, Roy Truly?
Where were you between 11:50AM12:15PM?
Who did you & Baker really encounter on one of the upper floors near the stairway after the shooting?
Why did you & Baker initially ignore the sixth floor altogether?
Why did you & Baker lie about being on the roof? A LOCKED roof at that ---->
[FONT=&]
COUNTY OF DALLAS
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
SUPPLEMENTARY INVESTIGATION REPORT
[/FONT][FONT=&]Name of Compainant
Assassination Of President Kennedy[/FONT] [FONT=&]Offense
John Wiseman, Deputy Sheriff, Dallas County Sheriff's Department.[/FONT] [FONT=&]
Date Nov 23, 1963
[/FONT][FONT=&]I was standing in front of the Sheriff's Office at 505 Main Street, Dallas when the President passed and the car went around the corner and a few more cars had passed when I heard a shot and I knew something had happened. I ran at once to the corner of Houston and Main Street and out into the street when the second and third shots ran out. I ran on across Houston Street, then across the park to where a policeman was having trouble with his motorcycle and I saw a man laying on the grass. This man laying on the grass said the shots came from the building and he was pointing to the old Sexton Building. I talked to Marilyn Sitzman, 202 S. Lancaster whosaid her boss, Abraham Zaprutes, RI 8 6071, had movies of the shooting. She said the shots came from that way and she pointed at the old Sexton Building. I ran at once to the Sexton Building and went in. I askes some woman how many doors lead out of the building and she said 4. I left the building and found some DPD patrolmen and we came back to the building. I ran up the stairs and the patrolman started trying to get more help to search the building. I went up the stairs to the 7th floor and started up into the attic and noticed that the door to the roof was locked on the insidewith a gate type hook latch. I stopped and started back down the stairs taking a quick look on each floor. I met more officers on the 2nd floor and then in a few minutes the place had maybe 50 officers in it. A better search was started floor by floor. About the time we got started on the 5th floor, Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney found some spent hulls. An officer of the Dallas Police Department told us all to get on one side of the room and make one clean sweep of the entire floor to see if we could find the rifle. As we worked our way across the room which was filled with boxes, we got to the front stairway when Deputy Sheriff Eugene Boon said, "here is the gun". It was about 4 feet in front of me in the aisle in which I was working. Deputy Boone stayed at one end of the aisle where the gun was spotted and I stayed at the other end of the aisle so that nothing would be touched. Officer Day of the DPD Crime Lab came and took pictures of the gun in its hiding spot behind the boxes and then moved it from this spot. I then left the building and came back to the Sheriff's Office to talk with witnesses. A Mrs. Mary Moorman was in the office with a picture of the President getting shot.[/FONT]
Lest anyone not already be aware, Deputy-Sheriff John Wiseman--per his above affidavit--was right on the heels of Baker & Truly's stated timeline & location (IF any of what Roy Truly says is even remotely truthful). Amazing how this tandem--Baker & Truly-- have the ability to teleport themselves through even LOCKED spaces...
Moreover, Roy Truly, Why did your confederate Mrs. Reid outright lie about encountering the wrongly accused up on the 2nd floor?, especially since photographic evidence within the historical record places her elsewhere at the same time and sequence she claims to be inside the building two floors up? Here she is standing outside (3rd women from the left, with dark purse) ---->
Once again, Roy Truly, Why were YOU over in the sniper's nest before the authorities found key "evidence"?
BELIN. When did you get over to the southeast corner of the sixth floor?
Mr. TRULY. That I can't answer. I don't remember when I went over there. It was sometime before I learned that they had found either the rifle or the spent shell cases.
17-01-2018, 02:36 AM (This post was last modified: 17-01-2018, 09:43 AM by LR Trotter.)
Alan Ford Wrote:Key Points to Ponder:
*Mr. Holmes, Where did Marrion Baker really encounter the wrongly accused?
Mr. BELIN. Did he state it was on what floor?
Mr. HOLMES. First floor. The front entrance to the first floor.
*Mr. Baker, according to your same day affidavit, Where did you actually encounter someone up on an upper-floor other than the wrongly accused?
AFFIDAVIT IN ANY FACT THE STATE OF TEXAS COUNTY OF DALLASBEFORE ME, Mary Rattan, a Notary Public in and for said County, State of Texas, on this day personally appeared M. L. Baker, Patrolman Dallas Police Department who, after being by me duly sworn, on oath deposes and says:
Friday November 22, 1963 I was riding motorcycle escort for the President of the United States. At approximately 12:30 pm I was on Houston Street and the President's car had made a left turn from Houston onto Elm Street. Just as I approached Elm Street and Houston I heard three shots. I realized those shots were rifle shots and I began to try to figure out where they came from. I decided the shots had come from the building on the northwest corner of Elm and Houston. This building is used by the Board of Education for book storage. I jumped off my motor and ran inside the building. As I entered the door I saw several people standing around. I asked these people where the stairs were. A man stepped forward and stated he was the building manager and that he would show me where the stairs were. I followed the man to the rear of the building and he said, "Let's take the elevator." The elevator was hung several floors up so we used the stairs instead. As we reached the third or fourth floor I saw a man walking away from the stairway. I called to the man and he turned around and came back toward me. The manager said, "I know that man, he works here." I then turned the man loose and went up to the top floor. The man I saw was a white man approximately 30 years old, 5'9", 165 pounds, dark hair and wearing a light brown jacket.
s/ M. L. Baker
SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN BEFORE ME THIS 22 DAY OF November A.D. 1963 /s/ Mary Rattan Notary Public, Dallas County, Texas
*Roy Truly, Why were YOU over in the sniper's nest before the authorities found key "evidence"?
BELIN. When did you get over to the southeast corner of the sixth floor?
Mr. TRULY. That I can't answer. I don't remember when I went over there. It was sometime before I learned that they had found either the rifle or the spent shell cases.
Pleading the 5[SUP]th[/SUP], Roy Truly?
Cat got your tongue?, Roy Truly?
Where were you between 11:50AM12:15PM?
Who did you & Baker really encounter on one of the upper floors near the stairway after the shooting?
Why did you & Baker initially ignore the sixth floor altogether?
Why did you & Baker lie about being on the roof? A LOCKED roof at that ---->
[FONT=&]
COUNTY OF DALLAS
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
SUPPLEMENTARY INVESTIGATION REPORT
[/FONT][FONT=&]Name of Compainant
Assassination Of President Kennedy[/FONT] [FONT=&]Offense
John Wiseman, Deputy Sheriff, Dallas County Sheriff's Department.[/FONT] [FONT=&]
Date Nov 23, 1963
[/FONT][FONT=&]I was standing in front of the Sheriff's Office at 505 Main Street, Dallas when the President passed and the car went around the corner and a few more cars had passed when I heard a shot and I knew something had happened. I ran at once to the corner of Houston and Main Street and out into the street when the second and third shots ran out. I ran on across Houston Street, then across the park to where a policeman was having trouble with his motorcycle and I saw a man laying on the grass. This man laying on the grass said the shots came from the building and he was pointing to the old Sexton Building. I talked to Marilyn Sitzman, 202 S. Lancaster whosaid her boss, Abraham Zaprutes, RI 8 6071, had movies of the shooting. She said the shots came from that way and she pointed at the old Sexton Building. I ran at once to the Sexton Building and went in. I askes some woman how many doors lead out of the building and she said 4. I left the building and found some DPD patrolmen and we came back to the building. I ran up the stairs and the patrolman started trying to get more help to search the building. I went up the stairs to the 7th floor and started up into the attic and noticed that the door to the roof was locked on the insidewith a gate type hook latch. I stopped and started back down the stairs taking a quick look on each floor. I met more officers on the 2nd floor and then in a few minutes the place had maybe 50 officers in it. A better search was started floor by floor. About the time we got started on the 5th floor, Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney found some spent hulls. An officer of the Dallas Police Department told us all to get on one side of the room and make one clean sweep of the entire floor to see if we could find the rifle. As we worked our way across the room which was filled with boxes, we got to the front stairway when Deputy Sheriff Eugene Boon said, "here is the gun". It was about 4 feet in front of me in the aisle in which I was working. Deputy Boone stayed at one end of the aisle where the gun was spotted and I stayed at the other end of the aisle so that nothing would be touched. Officer Day of the DPD Crime Lab came and took pictures of the gun in its hiding spot behind the boxes and then moved it from this spot. I then left the building and came back to the Sheriff's Office to talk with witnesses. A Mrs. Mary Moorman was in the office with a picture of the President getting shot.[/FONT]
Lest anyone not already be aware, Deputy-Sheriff John Wiseman--per his above affidavit--was right on the heels of Baker & Truly's stated timeline & location (IF any of what Roy Truly says is even remotely truthful). Amazing how this tandem--Baker & Truly-- have the ability to teleport themselves through even LOCKED spaces...
Moreover, Roy Truly, Why did your confederate Mrs. Reid outright lie about encountering the wrongly accused up on the 2nd floor?, especially since photographic evidence within the historical record places her elsewhere at the same time and sequence she claims to be inside the building two floors up? Here she is standing outside (3rd women from the left, with dark purse) ---->
Once again, Roy Truly, Why were YOU over in the sniper's nest before the authorities found key "evidence"?
BELIN. When did you get over to the southeast corner of the sixth floor?
Mr. TRULY. That I can't answer. I don't remember when I went over there. It was sometime before I learned that they had found either the rifle or the spent shell cases.
Repeated, and repeated again, and again, does not make a false assertion become fact.
What "photographic evidence" places Ms Reid where at 12:31pm/12:32pm CST on 11/22/'63? That is the time of the 2nd floor lunchroom encounter, and the presented picture appears to be some minutes later. Subject previously covered!
HarryHolmes is only repeating what he believes LeeOswald said, using notes he had made some weeks after the interrogation of Mr Oswald. His reference to the "First floor. The front entrance to the first floor", is his interpretation to a response, but to what question? For that matter, is Mr Holmes' response what he heard said? Or, is his response what he heard someone say that they heard Mr Oswald say? Subject previously covered!.
AlanFord's own quote of DCSD JohnWiseman's testimony offers proof that eliminates any possibility that Mr Wiseman was "right on the heels of Officer ML Baker and Manager RS Truly" when he reached the 7th floor, and found the roof access door was "locked on the inside with a gate type hook latch". Apparently, several minutes earlier, Mr Baker and Mr Truly had searched the roof, and re-latched the access door when returning to the 7th floor. Subject previously covered!
DPD Officer ML Baker's same day Affidavit In Fact is also a subject previously covered. And, AlanFord's declaration that Geraldine Reid, RS Truly, and ML Baker, all deceased, are "liars" is without merit, and certainly fails as reliable evidence. Another subject previously covered!.
According to the dictionary, the following two terms are explained in the following manner ---->
*Stairway: A set of steps or stairs and its surrounding walls or structure.
*Lunchroom: A room where light meals or snacks can be bought or where food brought from home may be eaten.
*Where did Marrion Baker actually say his encounter w/someone other than the wrongly accused (Mr. Oswald) takes place? ---->
AFFIDAVIT IN ANY FACT
THE STATE OF TEXAS
COUNTY OF DALLAS
BEFORE ME, Mary Rattan, a Notary Public in and for said County, State of Texas, on this day personally appeared M. L. Baker, Patrolman Dallas Police Department who, after being by me duly sworn, on oath deposes and says:
Friday November 22, 1963 I was riding motorcycle escort for the President of the United States. At approximately 12:30 pm I was on Houston Street and the President's car had made a left turn from Houston onto Elm Street. Just as I approached Elm Street and Houston I heard three shots. I realized those shots were rifle shots and I began to try to figure out where they came from. I decided the shots had come from the building on the northwest corner of Elm and Houston. This building is used by the Board of Education for book storage. I jumped off my motor and ran inside the building. As I entered the door I saw several people standing around. I asked these people where the stairs were. A man stepped forward and stated he was the building manager and that he would show me where the stairs were. I followed the man to the rear of the building and he said, "Let's take the elevator." The elevator was hung several floors up so we used the stairs instead. As we reached the third or fourth floor I saw a man walking away from the stairway. I called to the man and he turned around and came back toward me. The manager said, "I know that man, he works here." I then turned the man loose and went up to the top floor. The man I saw was a white man approximately 30 years old, 5'9", 165 pounds, dark hair and wearing a light brown jacket.
s/ M. L. Baker
SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN BEFORE ME THIS 22 DAY OF November A.D. 1963
/s/ Mary Rattan
Notary Public, Dallas County, Texas
Does this FRAMED individual even appear, let alone weighs 165lbs ? ---->
So, when the actual 165lb man Baker truly encountered, quote, came back to me, meaning him, it was back towards the stairway he was walking away from...nowhere even close to a lunchroom some 20-30 feet away.
Anything more than or less than this actual same day encounter is simply indicative of a hastily contrived script after the fact about a phantom hoax lunchroom encounter concocted by a trio of liars (Mrs. Reid, Baker, and Roy Truly).
The stairway was clear across the floor 25-30 feet away from the lunchroom door, let alone the spacing distance inside the lunchroom interior, where Bakerill-prepared to lie initiallymade up three different versions of a fake encounter w/the wrongly accused (Mr. Oswald) over in the lunchroom.
What is it Baker? He was sitting?...He was standing?...He was levitating?…
Merely holding a Coke?...Sipping a Coke?....Or, there was nothing in his hands?….
Go ahead, make up our minds, Baker...
Who did you & Roy "I caught a whale of a fish...again, but he got away...again" Truly really encounter that afternoon?
Sidebar: a previous post claims Deputy Wiseman was not on the heels of Baker & Truly, and the whole matter has been covered (with what? pigeon droppings?).
However, in fairness to the poster claiming this issue is a non issue, Go ahead, make my day, and dare to explain away why Deputy John Wiseman (an honest to goodness lawman) wasn't on Baker & Truly's heels...dare you to try.
Alan Ford Wrote:According to the dictionary, the following two terms are explained in the following manner ---->
*Stairway: A set of steps or stairs and its surrounding walls or structure.
*Lunchroom: A room where light meals or snacks can be bought or where food brought from home may be eaten.
*Where did Marrion Baker actually say his encounter w/someone other than the wrongly accused (Mr. Oswald) takes place? ---->
AFFIDAVIT IN ANY FACT
THE STATE OF TEXAS
COUNTY OF DALLAS
BEFORE ME, Mary Rattan, a Notary Public in and for said County, State of Texas, on this day personally appeared M. L. Baker, Patrolman Dallas Police Department who, after being by me duly sworn, on oath deposes and says:
Friday November 22, 1963 I was riding motorcycle escort for the President of the United States. At approximately 12:30 pm I was on Houston Street and the President's car had made a left turn from Houston onto Elm Street. Just as I approached Elm Street and Houston I heard three shots. I realized those shots were rifle shots and I began to try to figure out where they came from. I decided the shots had come from the building on the northwest corner of Elm and Houston. This building is used by the Board of Education for book storage. I jumped off my motor and ran inside the building. As I entered the door I saw several people standing around. I asked these people where the stairs were. A man stepped forward and stated he was the building manager and that he would show me where the stairs were. I followed the man to the rear of the building and he said, "Let's take the elevator." The elevator was hung several floors up so we used the stairs instead. As we reached the third or fourth floor I saw a man walking away from the stairway. I called to the man and he turned around and came back toward me. The manager said, "I know that man, he works here." I then turned the man loose and went up to the top floor. The man I saw was a white man approximately 30 years old, 5'9", 165 pounds, dark hair and wearing a light brown jacket.
s/ M. L. Baker
SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN BEFORE ME THIS 22 DAY OF November A.D. 1963
/s/ Mary Rattan
Notary Public, Dallas County, Texas
Does this FRAMED individual even appear, let alone weighs 165lbs ? ---->
So, when the actual 165lb man Baker truly encountered, quote, came back to me, meaning him, it was back towards the stairway he was walking away from...nowhere even close to a lunchroom some 20-30 feet away.
Anything more than or less than this actual same day encounter is simply indicative of a hastily contrived script after the fact about a phantom hoax lunchroom encounter concocted by a trio of liars (Mrs. Reid, Baker, and Roy Truly).
The stairway was clear across the floor 25-30 feet away from the lunchroom door, let alone the spacing distance inside the lunchroom interior, where Bakerill-prepared to lie initiallymade up three different versions of a fake encounter w/the wrongly accused (Mr. Oswald) over in the lunchroom.
What is it Baker? He was sitting?...He was standing?...He was levitating?…
Merely holding a Coke?...Sipping a Coke?....Or, there was nothing in his hands?….
Go ahead, make up our minds, Baker...
Who did you & Roy "I caught a whale of a fish...again, but he got away...again" Truly really encounter that afternoon?
Sidebar: a previous post claims Deputy Wiseman was not on the heels of Baker & Truly, and the whole matter has been covered (with what? pigeon droppings?).
However, in fairness to the poster claiming this issue is a non issue, Go ahead, make my day, and dare to explain away why Deputy John Wiseman (an honest to goodness lawman) wasn't on Baker & Truly's heels...dare you to try.
"and the whole matter has been covered (with what? pigeon droppings?)".
"Go ahead, make my day, and dare to explain away why...dare you to try".
What kind of comments are those? Some may consider it an attempt to 'bully'.
Best remembered, it is a long way from Edsel to Eastwood.
Mr. Trotter is a good and decent human being. I respect him as such, but simply disagree with him on some key issues in this case.
In spite of the bold claim about presenting evidence, suggesting that Dallas County Sheriff Deputy John Wiseman wasn't right on the heels of the lying tandem (Baker & Roy Truly's adventures upon an otherwise LOCKED roof), the lack thereof equates to there is nothing to refute Deputy Wiseman in calling out the lying tandem for what they are...liars clinging desperately to a hastily contrived script concocted in order to FRAME an innocent party, the wrongly accused (Mr. Oswald).
Without getting into specific details here, until such time someone dares to try to diminish deputy John "An Honest to Goodness Lawman" Wiseman's account, I'll hold in reserve the accounts of three other men in law enforcement that same afternoon--per their own statements--who also crawled into the same incredibly dark space in the attic and their respective findings as well.
That said, moving along now, let's recap:
Q: Where did Holmes place the encounter w/the wrongly accused?
A: Mr. BELIN. Did he state it was on what floor?
Mr. HOLMES. First floor. The front entrance to the first floor.
Q:That said, moving along now, let's recap Where did Marrion Baker really encounter someone other than the wrongly accused, some 165lbs...
A: "....I saw a man walking away from the stairway. I called to the man and he turned around and came back toward me. The manager said, "I know that man, he works here." I then turned the man loose and went up to the top floor. The man I saw was a white man approximately 30 years old, 5'9", 165 pounds, dark hair and wearing a light brown jacket.
s/ M. L. Baker
SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN BEFORE ME THIS 22 DAY OF November A.D. 1963
/s/ Mary Rattan
Notary Public, Dallas County, Texas
Q:What condition did Dallas County Deputy-Sheriff John Wiseman find access to the roof?
A: Locked.
Am still puzzled over why Roy Truly was over in the sniper's nest BEFORE the authorities found key "evidence" ----->
BELIN. When did you get over to the southeast corner of the sixth floor?
Mr. TRULY. That I can't answer. I don't remember when I went over there. It was sometime before I learned that they had found either the rifle or the spent shell cases.
Relative to the aftermath of the fatal shooting of US President JF Kennedy Sr, and critical wounding of TX Governor JB Connally Jr, then DCS Deputy JW Wiseman provided his statement/testimony:
Accordingly, it appears to indicate that during his search of the TSBD Building, fka the Sexton Building, he was some minutes behind TSBD Building Superintendent RS Truly and DPD Officer ML Baker as they conducted their building search of the TSBD. And, the "minutes behind" eliminates the possibility that Deputy Wiseman was "on the heels" of Officer Baker and Superintendent Truly.
