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Robert Morrow Wrote:
As for Lyndon Johnson and HIS promiscous sex life ... LBJ once said in contempt that he got more women by accident than Kennedy got on purpose.
Lyndon hated everything about Kennedy. He is just indulging in a macho pissing contest. Same for most of the SS guys. Not much love lost there either.
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Robert Morrow Wrote:One's sex life is dangerous and out of control when you can be BLACKMAILED to put a psychopathic, serial killer Lyndon Johnson as the VP on your Democratic ticket. That is something John Kennedy absolutely would NEVER have done if it had not been for LBJS's BLACKMAIL. Johnson was not on the "short list" or the "long list" to be a running mate with JFK. He simply was not on the list ... until he and Rayburn intimated Kennedy into making the fatal move.
Putting Lyndon Johnson a *heartbeat* away from the most powerful job in the world is like putting Ted Bundy in a Florida sorority at 2AM. Not a good idea! Yep. A definite mistake that was going to rectified in the next election which never saw the light of day.
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ROb:
Its you who are getting out of control.
Why you would take books like Twyman's and Nelson's so seriously despite their plethora of flaws, tells me one thing: You had a pet theory that you brought with you. You then started looking for stuff to fill it in with.
This does not make good research or honest research.
WHy? Because good research weighs and compares the value of certain witnesses and authors. To take a CIA slut like Hersh and to take his book seriously is just beyond the pale. You keep on harping on these SS men. What you don't do is go back to the source.
Do you know when the SS started blaming Kennedy for his own death? Its when the story about Kirkwood's first surfaced in the press.
You don' t understand that? THen it was BS about the bubble top. As time went on, and president's sex lives became the stuff of newspaper stories, Hersh then went on and started in with these SS guys who have never told the truth about that day. Why? Because if they had performed their duties by the book, Kennedy would probably not have died.
Repeat: You do not understand that? THen you have sex on the brain.
ITs called 1.) CYA and 2.) Blaming the victim.
Now you obviously have never read my essay on this subject have you? WHat is worse, you don't seem to care if you have not. I went through all these rumors about Kennedy's affairs. You know: Rometsch, MM, Exner, Meyer. IF you go to theouter extremes of Kennedy mania, you will actually find sources that said he had hisown line of hookers in the WH. THat is in the craziest anti Kennedy book of all, Thomas Reeves' nuthouse volume A Question of Character. (I shouldn't have mentioned it. You will now go out and get it and buy every paragraph as gospel.)
WHat I did was this: I traced the whole evolution of this genre from the beginning. ANd I showed that it was from the CHurch COmmittee, and I traced it to Kennedy's enemies who were so pissed off as a result of that investigation. You name it: the Blairs, Mr. Disinfo John Davis, Horowitz and Collier (who found a way to make money by becoming Democrats for Reagan--and boy did Scaife pile it on them). ANd finally Reeves. Whe had his own foundation to pay him off.
This is what I found out: Kennedy had two affairs while in the WH. One with Exner and one with Meyer. Neither of them had any effect on his policies. ANd neither of them were used by his enemies to blackmail him. This line of thinking all came out AFTER the fact. Exner was used by people at TIme-Life to embellish her story about every ten years. WHich is actually too kind. She lied her butt off to make money. Time Life gave her six figures and then attributed a story to someone who did not even write it. THey just made it all up. As I have proven with Meyer, the whole thing about LSD and drugs is BS added by Leary and Angleton years later.
I also examined the work of people like Summers on the whole MM story. Like you, Tony had an agenda with that book. He got quite angry with me when I riddled it for bad sourcing--in fact using outright liars like Slatzer.
Now you bring up this how LBJ got on the ticket thing. Do you know how many versions of this story have come down the pike? Literally a dozen. Now if you are going to use SUmmers, yes he will do the salacious bit--his weakness. But then why does he differ from Hersh--your other idol.
Let em explain why: Because when you are looking for sensationalistic crap, you don't care where it comes from. ANd you don't bother to look for inconsistencies or when the story first surfaced.
That you have not learned this yet tells everyone a lot. Probably a hangover from your days in the Clinton Crazies ranks. Scaife and Ruddy did one hell of a job there didn't they?
But he then got hoisted on his own petard. Or didn't you know that?
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Jim DiEugenio Wrote:ROb:
Its you who are getting out of control.
Why you would take books like Twyman's and Nelson's so seriously despite their plethora of flaws, tells me one thing: You had a pet theory that you brought with you. You then started looking for stuff to fill it in with.
This does not make good research or honest research.
WHy? Because good research weighs and compares the value of certain witnesses and authors. To take a CIA slut like Hersh and to take his book seriously is just beyond the pale. You keep on harping on these SS men. What you don't do is go back to the source.
Do you know when the SS started blaming Kennedy for his own death? Its when the story about Kirkwood's first surfaced in the press.
You don' t understand that? THen it was BS about the bubble top. As time went on, and president's sex lives became the stuff of newspaper stories, Hersh then went on and started in with these SS guys who have never told the truth about that day. Why? Because if they had performed their duties by the book, Kennedy would probably not have died.
Repeat: You do not understand that? THen you have sex on the brain.
ITs called 1.) CYA and 2.) Blaming the victim.
Now you obviously have never read my essay on this subject have you? WHat is worse, you don't seem to care if you have not. I went through all these rumors about Kennedy's affairs. You know: Rometsch, MM, Exner, Meyer. IF you go to theouter extremes of Kennedy mania, you will actually find sources that said he had hisown line of hookers in the WH. THat is in the craziest anti Kennedy book of all, Thomas Reeves' nuthouse volume A Question of Character.
WHat I did was this: I traced the whole evolution of this genre from the beginning. ANd I showed that it was from the CHurch COmmittee, and I traced it to Kennedy's enemies who were so pissed off as a result of that investigation. You name it: the Blairs, Mr. Disinfo John Davis, Horowitz and Collier (who found a way to make money by becoming Democrats for Reagan--and boy did Scaife pile it on them). ANd finally Reeves. Whe had his own foundation to pay him off.
This is what I found out: Kennedy had two affairs while in the WH. One with Exner and one with Meyer. Neither of them had any effect on his policies. ANd neither of them were used by his enemies to blackmail him. This line of thinking all came out AFTER the fact. Exner was used by people at TIme-Life to embellish her story about every ten years. WHich is actually too kind. She lied her butt off to make money. Time Life gave her six figures and then attributed a story to someone who did not even write it. THey just made it all up. As I have proven with Meyer, the whole thing about LSD and drugs is BS added by Leary and Angleton years later.
I also examined the work of people like Summers on the whole MM story. Like you, Tony had an agenda with that book. He got quite angry with me when I riddled it for bad sourcing--in fact using outright liars like Slatzer.
Now you bring up this how LBJ got on the ticket thing. Do you know how many versions of this story have come down the pike? Literally a dozen. Now if you are going to use SUmmers, yes he will do the salacious bit--his weakness. But then why does he differ from Hersh--your other idol.
Let em explain why: Because when you are looking for sensationalistic crap, you don't care where it comes from. ANd you don't bother to look for inconsistencies or when the story first surfaced.
That you have not learned this yet tells everyone a lot. Probably a hangover from your days in the Clinton Crazies ranks. Scaife and Ruddy did one hell of a job there didn't they?
But he then got hoisted on his own petard. Or didn't you know that?
Evelyn Lincoln, who was John Kennedy's very loyal and very close aide, has explicitly told us that Lyndon Johnson was using sexual blackmail on John Kennedy at the 1960 Democratic convention. What is Lincoln, some sort of CIA slut, too?
As for Bill Clinton, he is up there with Wilt Chamberlain, Tiger Woods and Gene Simmons and Magic Johnson. Bill Clinton is a 33rd degree Mack Daddy and he has been that way since his days at Georgetown and as a partying, dope smoking, war protesting, CIA-informing Rhodes Scholar at Oxford, where his friends say that Clinton there had a minimum, and he stresses the word *minimum*, 30 women.
I always laugh when folks recommend the book Blinded by the Right by David Brock. I've read it. That is the equivalent of saying read Reclaiming History, it tells ya all ya need to know about the JFK assassination! Now go read the other 200-300 books on the Clintons, because I literally have them all.
Bill Clinton's HERO was John Kennedy. And one reason Clinton idolized JFK so much was his sexual promiscouity who Clinton seeked to emulate. And boy did he. Bill Clinton has had sex not with HUNDREDS of women (even Hillary a few times! ... way long ago), but possibly even thousands of women. Ok, maybe not a thousand women, but certainly a thousand acts of infidelity. Bill Clinton has about 15 women he has carried on long term sexual affairs. He was on cocaine snorting, CIA drug smuggling, poontang chasing mack daddy.
You know you are a freak when you wife's OWN supporter Andrew Young says you have probably had sex with more black women than Obama!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgprLfcXu1w
Bill has had sex with 4-5 Miss Arkansas, probably date raped Miss America Liz Ward Gracen, raped Juanita Broadrick in 1978, exposed his penis to Paul Jones and asked her to kiss it, made a crude hard pass at Juanita Broaddrick. Orgies with crack whores 2 or 3 at a time, secretaries, flight attendants, reporter babes, wives of campaign contributors, daughters of campaign contributors, Las Vegas hookers (really, hookers all over the world), Monica (a teeny tiny, almost not noticeable blip on the radar screen), made a pass at Chelsea's baby sitter, did Susan McDougal (that is why she went to prison rather than talk about it), Gennifer Flowers (paid $200 for her abortion in Dec, 1977), then wild Bill rapes Juanita Broaddrick in spring 1978 (they tells her put some ice on your busted lip I just bit to disable you, and btw I'm sterile because I had the measles -- 4 months after paying for Gennifer's abortion)... Betsy Wright his aide was prepare for 26 bimbo eruptions in the 1992 campaign but a compliant media looked the other way.... all the top Demos have stories about what a sex freak/pervert/dirty old man/dirty young man Bill Clinton was/is ... Bob Shrum talks in his book about the time wild Bill would take his girlfriends to stay overnight in Pamela Harriman's home in DC! just completely blatant... Gennifer used to "service" Bill on her knees while he was on the 2nd floor window at the Ark Gov's mansion waving at Hillary outside ... then there is longtime girlfriend Dolly Kyle Browning ... Sally Perdue one of the Clinton's intimidation victims... then there is Connie Hamzy who Bill tried to get a quickie with as he saw her laying outside a hotel pool in a bikini ... Eleanor Mondale: did her. Barbara Streisand, use to chase her around the table, Hillary came back in 1993 and gave wild Bill a big nail gash on his throat for that one...
How much time do we have here? I've got 4-8 hours of typing left ...
So I am just going to cut a paste a bit - remember this is a severely abbreviated list: http://www.alamo-girl.com/0262.htm
Clinton Misogyny - Sex
Juanita Broaddrick (AR)- rape
Eileen Wellstone (Oxford) - rape
Elizabeth Ward Gracen - rape - quid pro quo, post incident intimidation
Regina Hopper Blakely - "forced himself on her, biting, bruising her"
Kathleen Willey (WH) - sexual assault, intimidations, threats
Sandra Allen James (DC) - sexual assault
22 Year Old 1972 (Yale) - sexual assault
Kathy Bradshaw (AK) - sexual assault
Cristy Zercher - unwelcomed sexual advance, intimidations
Paula Jones (AR) - unwelcomed sexual advance, exposure, bordering on sexual assault
Carolyn Moffet -unwelcomed sexual advance, exposure, bordering on sexual assault
1974 student at University of Arkansas - unwelcomed physical contact
1978-1980 - seven complaints per Arkansas state troopers
Monica Lewinsky - quid pro quo, post incident character assault
Gennifer Flowers - quid pro quo, post incident character assault
Dolly Kyle Browning - post incident character assault
Sally Perdue - post incident threats
Betty Dalton - rebuffed his advances, married to one of his supporters
Denise Reeder - apologetic note scanned
Clinton Misogyny - Other
Linda Tripp - coerce, intimidate, deny - Bob Bennett calls her a liar, release her job application, transfer her.
Julia Hiatt-Steele - Willey's friend and neighbor - used the machine to change her story.
Hillary Rodham Clinton - used as a cover humiliated
Chelsea Clinton - ignored
Betty Currie - used as cover and enabler
Donna Shalala - used as cover, used as whipping post in Cabinet meeting
Madeline Albright - used as cover
Secret Service - female agent complaints
Kathy Ferguson unwelcome advances
Clinton as a Ladies' Man?
Marsha Scott - claimed an affair
Connie Hamzy - claimed sex
Bobbie Ann Williams - claimed paid sex, paternity
Following are names of ladies rumored to have had sexual relations with Bill Clinton. We of course do not have information to support these rumors and do not intend the reader to think that we believe any of them to be true. Some could be true, some could be false and some could be intentionally spread rumors so absurd as to make the ones listed above and all other rumors look absurd as well. As always, please draw your own conclusions:
Clinton as a Ladies' Man - Rumors
Marilyn Jo Jenkins - rumored
Susan Coleman - rumored (suicide 7.5 months pregnant)
Robyn Dickey -rumored, staffer
Lenora Steinkamp - rumored - mystery jogger on video tape entering the "infamous hallway" with Clinton
Kimba Wood - rumored, judge
Kelley Craighead - rumored, staffer to Bill and Hillary
Sharline Wilson - rumored, claimed drug association
Dee Dee Myers - rumored, staffer
Suzie Whitacre - rumored
Catherine Cornelius - rumored, "distant cousin".
Cheryl Mills - rumored, WH attorney
Current Secret Paramour (per Tripp/King interview) - rumored
Clinton as a Ladies' Man - Rumors with quid pro quo?
Beth Gladden Coulson - rumored - young judicial appointment
Eleanor Mondale - rumored - celebrity daughter, dated Ron Perelman (see Jordan)
Shelia Lawrence - rumored - Widow of Ambassador
Deborah Mathis - rumored - reporter/WH advancements
Debra Schiff - rumored - ex flight attendant, now staffer
Susan McDougal - rumored - business connections
Benazir Bhutto - rumored - current opposition leader in, and former prime minister of Pakistan
Clinton as a wanna be Ladies' Man or intended disinformation? - Rumors High Profile
Barbara Streisand - rumored - celebrity
Markie Post - rumored - actress
Sharon Stone - rumored - actress
Lencola Sullivan - rumored - beauty queen
Martha Stewart - rumored - celebrity
Diana Wiley Pietsch - rumored - sex therapist - Oxford.
Princess Di - rumored - royalty, deceased
NewsMax 12/29/00 Carl Limbacher ".....Before her death, Princess Diana claimed privately that a "very flirtatious" Bill Clinton made a pass at her during one of several meetings; and that she considered accepting -- according to close friends who recently shared Diana's confidences with noted royal author Judy Wade. Wade conducted "scores" of interviews with confidantes to the late Princess of Wales for her soon-to-be released biography, "Diana: The Truth," which is excerpted in next week's National Enquirer. After one Clinton encounter Diana reportedly said, "We were a little naughty with each other," according to one confidante who talked to the tabloid directly. ......"
(Yeah, in the 1992 and for the next 8 years, the liberals all said this was just a bunch of lies... great example of folks in denial. Of course, the right wing tried to make hay of this - they would be fools not to!)
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I'd ask this kid to get a grip on himself, but ...
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I seriously disagree with the assessment of Tyman's book.
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The next time someone tells me to go read Blinded by the Right by David Brock, I say to them to read the Larry Nichols Story. Btw, David Brock never took back anything he wrote about the off-the-hinges dysfunctional Clintons for American Spectator, all Brock said was he was sorry he embarassed Hillary.
Well, I am glad that he embarassed the Clintons. Somebody needed to, if not throw them in jail with the Bushes.
Here is an sample from one of my oppo files on the Clintons, stuff that I emailed to thousands of Demo activists and reporters in the 2006-2008 time period (remember, it is just a teeny tiny excerpt):
And also, Bill Clinton's hero was John Kennedy because he was promiscous and Bill wanted to emulate that:
Hillary and Bill "married" on Oct. 11, 1975
Bill celebrates by making out with another girl
in the bathroom at the "wedding" reception!
A longtime friend of the Clintons who went to the "wedding" reception says she was "totally floored" when she pushed open a bathroom door at the reception! - and saw "Bill passionately kissing a young woman. He was fondling her breasts. I was so shocked I just closed the door quickly and quietly. They never knew I saw them." [Bill and Hillary, p. 150]
In 1972, while Bill and Hillary were working for the McGovern campaign and were supposedly "dating," Bill was in Austin, TX, and carrying on numerous affairs. In 1974, when Bill ran for Congress in Arkansas (barely losing), Bill was screwing a girl in every county in his Congressional district while Hillary was in Washington, D.C. and making 5 phones calls/day trying to manage Bill's 1974 campaign. Hillary has been completely aware of Bill's infidelities from the very beginning twenty-six years before and hundreds of women before Monica and decades before horny, red-faced Bill pulled out his erect penis (known as "Willard") and asked Paula to "kiss it."
Although she is a power freak who jumped on sex maniac and rode him all the way to the White House, Hillary is pathetic weakling and unsuited for holding political power.
Gov. Bill: getting Aunt Jemimah poontang with the night manager at
Little Rock McDonald's
She says Bill's penis is "iddy biddy"
Hillary's crazed sex monkey Bill has screwed hundreds of women of all ages, races, ethnicities and socio economic status. Bobbie Ann Williams (1984) was 4 months pregnant when wild Bill had relations with her!
Everything thing from 5 Miss Arkansas's to a Miss America to drug addicted street hookers, flight attendants, secretaries, assistants, judges and even the night manager at the McDonald's in Little Rock! These women say Bill has a little bitty pecker but Bill is a real fiend for oral sex, both giving and receiving. Both Gennifer Flowers, who Bill had a 12 year affair with (1977-1989), and Paula Jones, who pervert Bill exposed himself to (5-8-91), say Bill's penis is not presidential timber. The lady night manager at McDonald's Little Rock says the same thing.
Larry Nichols, formerly an extremely close aide to Bill (before they had a falling out), used to follow Gov. Bill around under "total surveillance." Larry wanted to know what was Bill's "distinguishing characteristic." Larry says:
"One of the people I cornered early on, one of the people I had literally seen Clinton with, was this black lady. She was about four foot eight. Now it's going to sound like I am exaggerating, but I am not. She was about four foot eight and had, yes, blond hair. She weighed between 250 and 260 pounds. She had one or two, I think both front teeth were gold. This is who I caught Bill Clinton with." [The Larry Nichols Story, p. 94]
Larry approached this woman and, using duplicity, got her to talk about Gov. Bill. She was afraid of losing her job as the night manager at McDonald's. Two state troopers confirm Larry's story by saying they took Bill to see this woman. Larry asked this woman to tell him about Clinton:
"And that's when she told me [Bill] had a very, very small, almost to the point of what you would call deformed, penis. I mean this guy is lacking badly, if you know what I mean. She said he was iddy biddy', about two inches. Then, she said he had a fetish he was just a wild man about oral sex. I mean he was just crazy. And then she told of a mole, she called it that, but it's actually a birthmark, on the outside of his left buttock." [The Larry Nichols Story, p. 95]
Trooper Larry Patterson said that Bill had about 15-18 women he regularly saw, plus Bill "would have one-night-stands with an unending parade of different women." [The Larry Nichols Story, p. 100] As for Hillary, her job was to cover for her crazed sex monkey and, if necessary, terrify his women/victims - so that Clinton pond scum could climb the political ladder together.
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I already have Thomas Reeves book A Question of Character. I just have not had time to read it. After Evelyn Lincoln, I don't think I need to read Reeves.
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Morrow does not understand the first thing about the uses of political propaganda.
To give you my own experience with the Clinton Crazies, I saw a film one night called the Clinton Chronicles. It was very skillfully done. If you did not know one thing about who was financing it or who was in it and why, you would find it pretty convincing.
Well the guy who introduced it, Mr. Johnson, was a former segregationist judge who despised CLinton's appeal to black voters. As I read up on the rest, it got worse e.g. the goofy Larry Nichols who had a bitter falling out with CLinton. And who, if you can beleive it, Morrow uses above as a source. THey even blamed the death of a little kid of the RR tracks to Clinton. THen of course, there is the whole VInce FOster thing. When the first special prosecutor found nothing sinister about it, they brought in nutcase Starr. Who kept Henry Lee's report under wraps for months--which exonerated everyone. ANd BTW, obliterated nutty Ruddy's report.
THen there was WHitewater--one of the most ridiculous "scandals' ever. Starr was never satisfied no matter how many experts found nothing wrong with it. Three different examinations came up empty. He delayed their release for years.
Starr was so crazy that he kept people who were under indictment hidden so he could use them at trial e.g. David Hale.
The book to read on this is "The Hunting of the President" a really fine expose of the CLinton Craziness which shows how the enemies CLinton built in Arkansas were then used by hacks like Gingrich and Scaife.
BTW, the fruity Scaife who was so angry about Lewinsky, then started cheating on his wife himself. But guess what? It was with a call girl! He actually had a romance with her. His wife found out about it. Took him to court and hired a PI. IT all came out in spades. What a hypocrite. The Post did a hilarious story on this. Suffice it to say, CLinton must have laughed his ass off for an hour.
But guess what? Susan McDougall probably didn't think it was funny. Why? She went to jail because she would not lie about Clinton.
You know who else is not laughing? All the other victims of Starr's witch hunt.
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Wow. So, many women in Clinton's life. I only wonder where he got the time to do all those deals in Mena. Or any other kind of work.
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