"The Oswald Innocence Project" = the Greatest Threat to Truth and Justice for JFK

[Peter Lemkin]

Pg 164 Volume IV Chapter 13

"The very unpleasant and tentative possibility exists that limousine driver William Greer fired a fourth head shot into the President's left temple with his revolver."

Uggh.....an ugly misstep [huge one], in an otherwise great book. I did note one other misstep IMO in Horne's book......but it still stands as a great work. How on this he was misled to even entertain it is really beyond me.....I hope the answer is he never investigated it and just too the false rumor as a possibility. The possibility is also that invisible men from Mars fired invisible rifles with visible bullets that day. :loo:

[Peter Lemkin]

I have Murder in Dealey Plaza (2000) and Assassination Science (1998). I don't have his Zapruder book but I watched the endless Costella youtubes of the 2003 presentation.

This business of Oswald's innocence standing or falling on his presence in the doorway of the depository in Altgens is a false choice.

Why can I a philosophical neophyte see this clearly yet the author of a score of works on philosophy cannot.

He's round the bend.

Finque has an odor but Fetzer has perhaps fallen prey to a dementia of a mortal type.

Be that as it may, he's volunteering for the Dunk-the-Clown carnival job.

I am enjoying Barry Krusche, Impossible: The Case Against Lee Harvey Oswald.

My favorite Oswald waiver is his proven negative vis-a-vis GSR--Cunningham's fantastic tight breach to the contrary notwithstanding.

Barry's is the two shells becomes three without any being logged nor first identified--compounded by the too-helpful Day. Given away by the photo in Twyman.

There are countless others.

There are a thousand keys to Oswald's cell door, freeing him, exposing conspiracy.

Fetzer and Cinque are cellmates, having tea down the rabbit hole in Warrenland.

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Great post and summary Phil; very sad situation we find at hand.....

[Seamus Coogan]

Pete its all good mate it reminds me of my Billy Joel call some weeks ago and to be honest the 'colonel' one lol. I agree with you PD's take is funny as hell and insightful. I love this one...

"Fetzer and Cinque are cellmates, having tea down the rabbit hole in Warrenland"

Amen to that.

[Phil Dragoo]

Seamus, I have my Volume IV open and it's page 1150-1:

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The very unpleasant and tentative possibility exists that limousine driver William Greer fired a fourth head shot into the President's left temple with his revolver. This cannot be proven today, since there is no left temporal wound mentioned in the autopsy report, nor is there such a wound depicted in the autopsy photographs of the left side of the head. (But the autopsy report has been rewritten, and the head was not shaved at autopsy, so the absence of evidence for a left temporal wound in the autopsy report and in the autopsy photographs is not conclusive, by any means.)
However, 3 Parkland physicians believed in 1963 that they had seen a left temporal wound: McClelland, Jenkins, and Puerto. (See Chapters 7 and 9.) Father Oscar Huber, who administered the last rites to President Kennedy, said he saw a terrible wound over his left eye. Photographer Hugh Betzner wrote in his affidavit on 11/22/63 that he saw a nickel-plated revolver in someone's hand inside or near the limousine during the assassination. Jean Hill wrote in her affidavit on 11/22/63 that she thought she saw men in plain clothes "shooting back" during the assassination.
Clint Hill wrote on 11/30/63 that the fatal shot sounded like a revolver fired into a hard object, and repeated that under oath in 1964 before the Warren Commission. Motorcycle Patrolman James Chaney, the closest outrider on the right side of the limousine, told a Houston newspaper on 11/23/63 that the President had been "struck in the face" by the final shot. In the Moorman photograph, which was in the hands of the FBI for a considerable period of time in 1964, the figure of William Greer appears to me to have been whited out' in the version of the photograph that I own
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(see Figure 76). The versions of the Moorman photograph that appear elsewhere, such as in Groden (on page 34) and in Trask (on page 247), also appear to have had a human figure whited out' in the image, just to the left of Roy Kellerman in the front seat of the limousine. When asked at his 1997 ARRB deposition by Jeremy Gunn why the two FBI agents had gone back and reinterviewed Secret Service agents Kellerman and Greer a second time at the White House, after already interviewing them at the morgue during the autopsy, Frank O'Neill testified that it was done on the specific orders of J. Edgar Hoover. Finally, in support of this hypothesis, a noted forensic pathologist, Dr. Charles Wilbur, wrote a letter to Harry Livingstone on July 25, 1991, which was published in part in High Treason 2, in which he wrote: "...a rather interesting paragraph is found in the Supplemental Autopsy Report. The right hemisphere of the brain was obviously demolished. The left hemisphere is claimed to be intact.' It is further reported that there is MARKED over-stuffing or super-filling of the blood vessels of the brain covering (meningeal vessels) on the left hemisphere. This engorgement extends from the left temporal region to the frontal region accompanied byconsiderable associated subarachnoid hemorrhage.' Subarachnoid space is that area over the brain that lies between the tough outer protective covering of the brain (dura mater) and the delicate inner covering (pia mater). The arachnoid layer of the brain covering is in this space...A subarachnoid hemorrhage is a bleeding into the space between the pia mater and the arachnoid membrane. But then we are told that the gyre and sulci of the left hemisphere are essentially normal. Later we are told that tissue samples are taken from the contused left frontoparietal cortex.' Under the microscope, sections from this left brain sample were essentially similar to all other sections taken from other parts of the brain which show EXTENSIVE DISRUPTION OF BRAIN TISSUE WITH ASSOCIATED HEMORRHAGE.' These observations rekindle my interest in the observations made in Dallas on the ER table (by several medical personnel) to the effect that there was an entry hole in the left temporal region, in front of the left ear and at the hairline." [author's emphasis added]
Dear reader, if the esteemed and widely respected Dr. Wilbur was also suspicious that there may have been a bullet wound in President Kennedy's left temple, then I have nothing to be ashamed of here when broaching the subject. What I have added to Dr. Wilbur's concerns is the context in which this possibility should be considered: Hugh Betzner seeing a nickel-plated revolver in someone's hand in the limousine, Jean Hill seeing plain clothes officers shooting back, and Clint Hill equating the fatal shot with the sound of a revolver fired into a hard object. As unpalatable as the suggestion may be, it would be cowardly of me not to mention it here.



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Phil here:

Did Betzner see a nickle-plated revolver in the limo. Did he see a microphone. I don't doubt Greer and Kellerman had favorite pet names for Kennedy which can't be suggested here, and I, too, think Greer stepped on the brake because that was the plan.

What I don't think is that he could step on the brake, turn and do a Dirty Harry, then drive to the hospital.

These people didn't speak in terms of "we'll take that out in post-production"

The lack of an index in this five-volume dragnet is awful. They finished their work and ten years later there's this two-thousand words un-indexed.

It's like going back into the stew pot for a potato with bare hands with the power out from last night's storm.

Of all the ten million words in the Warren Report the Fetzerian Tag Team jumps in the wrestling ring with their day-glo costumes and hockey masks and swings folding chairs at the crowd growling, "Doorway Man!"

It wasn't those ten million words that put Angleton in Mary's house. I would say he wanted to rummage in the clothes hamper, the nutty old fool.

His batting average: let Kim Philby get away; wasted three years on Yuri I. Nosenko. Destroyed the effectiveness of the agency, its morale.

Between that and Gottlieb's skydivers Helms was perennially facepalming.

Anyone from Mockingbird Lane hooting at Fetzer will have to defend Helen Markham the clairvoyant who spoke with the dead Tippit and "identified" Oswald with the help of clues from the Signal Corps, a guide dog, a Very pistol, and a prompter in the footlights.

I can see Greer now, his gleaming barrel poised menacingly--

BANG

says the little toy flag that pops out the muzzle.

[Peter Lemkin]

FWIW, Tosh Plumlee has long claimed to have been on the South Knoll and that he heard a shot from there whiz over his head. A direct line from where he placed the shooter to the limo, along with the time of the shot would have meant [had it hit JFK] a shot from the left. I have never been able to do much with this information. Analysis of the photos on this were done by Tom Wilson and much of that material is still being withheld by the family. Some of it is in the book written about Wilson and approved by his family. Before he died, Wilson told me he DID see a gun in a car pointed toward the motorcade near where Tosh placed one, but not the exact same area. As military crossfire almost always has shots coming from all [at least four] directions, the South Knoll area has been GREATLY overlooked, IMHO.

I have never bought for a second that Greer shot - for multiple reasons; I won't even dignify the issue to go into the list. IF there was indeed a left temporal shot of entry, I'd think the South Knoll would be the logical place to look for where it came from. More and more we learn there were many more shots to JFK's body than we were told.....the obvious reason for the controlled 'autopsies' - and threats to and elimination of some witnesses and much evidence.

[Albert Doyle]

Fetzer and Cinque are cellmates, having tea down the rabbit hole in Warrenland.

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Having tea down a rabbit hole with portraits on the walls that have changing faces.

[Albert Doyle]

FWIW, Tosh Plumlee has long claimed to have been on the South Knoll and that he heard a shot from there whiz over his head. A direct line from where he placed the shooter to the limo, along with the time of the shot would have meant [had it hit JFK] a shot from the left. I have never been able to do much with this information. Analysis of the photos on this were done by Tom Wilson and much of that material is still being withheld by the family. Some of it is in the book written about Wilson and approved by his family. Before he died, Wilson told me he DID see a gun in a car pointed toward the motorcade near where Tosh placed one, but not the exact same area. As military crossfire almost always has shots coming from all [at least four] directions, the South Knoll area has been GREATLY overlooked, IMHO.

I have never bought for a second that Greer shot - for multiple reasons; I won't even dignify the issue to go into the list. IF there was indeed a left temporal shot of entry, I'd think the South Knoll would be the logical place to look for where it came from. More and more we learn there were many more shots to JFK's body than we were told.....the obvious reason for the controlled 'autopsies' - and threats to and elimination of some witnesses and much evidence.

The only problem with that is Altgens 6 caught the windshield bullet hole damage, which was before any head shot. The South Knoll is good for the neck shot but too early for the head shot.

[Peter Lemkin]

FWIW, Tosh Plumlee has long claimed to have been on the South Knoll and that he heard a shot from there whiz over his head. A direct line from where he placed the shooter to the limo, along with the time of the shot would have meant [had it hit JFK] a shot from the left. I have never been able to do much with this information. Analysis of the photos on this were done by Tom Wilson and much of that material is still being withheld by the family. Some of it is in the book written about Wilson and approved by his family. Before he died, Wilson told me he DID see a gun in a car pointed toward the motorcade near where Tosh placed one, but not the exact same area. As military crossfire almost always has shots coming from all [at least four] directions, the South Knoll area has been GREATLY overlooked, IMHO.

I have never bought for a second that Greer shot - for multiple reasons; I won't even dignify the issue to go into the list. IF there was indeed a left temporal shot of entry, I'd think the South Knoll would be the logical place to look for where it came from. More and more we learn there were many more shots to JFK's body than we were told.....the obvious reason for the controlled 'autopsies' - and threats to and elimination of some witnesses and much evidence.

The only problem with that is Altgens 6 caught the windshield bullet hole damage, which was before any head shot. The South Knoll is good for the neck shot but too early for the head shot.

As we usually use the term Grassy Knoll, we mean a rather small area on the North side. My [and Tosh's] definition of the South Knoll is the ENTIRE raised area, all the way West to the overpass. Along that line [and Wilson said he detected a rifle in a car parked in the lot near the overpass] there was ample sighting of JFK's head for quite a while - in fact, I believe during the entire period of the known shots. NB - Wilson's work was, I believe from Cancellere and other photos, using his special techniques. It's a side issue, perhaps, but I personally feel Wilson's work has also been underrated. Wilson spent many days in DP with tape measures, surveyor's transits, lasers, and other equipment measuring distances and angles, elevations and more.

[Albert Doyle]

As we usually use the term Grassy Knoll, we mean a rather small area on the North side. My [and Tosh's] definition of the South Knoll is the ENTIRE raised area, all the way West to the overpass. Along that line [and Wilson said he detected a rifle in a car parked in the lot near the overpass] there was ample sighting of JFK's head for quite a while - in fact, I believe during the entire period of the known shots. NB - Wilson's work was, I believe from Cancellere and other photos, using his special techniques. It's a side issue, perhaps, but I personally feel Wilson's work has also been underrated. Wilson spent many days in DP with tape measures, surveyor's transits, lasers, and other equipment measuring distances and angles, elevations and more.

True, but from the South Knoll all shots would have to go through the windshield and there was only one bullet hole seen in Altgens-6.

Greer would have to be an awfully quick shot to pull off that shot unseen. Especially by the limo occupants, who you think would notice Greer pulling out a handgun and blowing JFK's brains out in front of them.

[Charles Drago]

The Doppelganger Demi-Urge (Gnostic, not Platonic) at work -- or is that play? -- again.

A wound to the right temple in front of the ear at the hairline.

A wound to the left temple in front of the ear at the hairline.

First by Solomon. Next upon return from exile.

We are one temple short.

We await the creation of Herod the Great.