Syrian Army Kills 6 Turkish Officers, Terrorist Commander in Reef Idlib
The Syrian army killed half a dozen Turkish officers and a terrorist commander in a series of military operations in Reef (outskirts of) Idlib in Northwestern Syria.
The army targeted the concentration camps of the armed rebels in M'asaran town of Ma'areh al-Naman region in Reef Idlib on Friday, during which 6 Turkish officers and ringleader of the Northern Shield terrorist group known as Ahmad Asaf were killed, FNA dispatches said. 6 Free Syrian Army (FSA) commanders were also killed during an air raid on rebels' concentration centers in Reef Idlib on Friday. An American reporter was also among those killed during the Syrian army's attack on terrorists' hideouts in Reef Idlib. Syria has been experiencing unrest since March 2011 with organized attacks by well-armed gangs against the Syrian police, border guards, statesmen, army and the civilians being reported across the country. Thousands of people have been killed since terrorist and armed groups turned protest rallies into armed clashes. The government blames outlaws, saboteurs, and armed terrorist groups for the deaths, stressing that the unrest is being orchestrated from abroad. In October 2011, calm was almost restored in most parts of the Arab state after President Assad started a reform initiative in the country, but Israel, the US and its Arab allies brought the country into chaos through every possible means. Tel Aviv, Washington and some Arab capitals have been staging various plots in the hope of increasing unrests in Syria. The US daily, Washington Post, reported in May, 2012 that the Syrian rebels and terrorist groups battling Assad's government have received significantly more and better weapons in recent weeks, a crime paid for by the Persian Gulf Arab states and coordinated by the United States. The newspaper, quoting opposition activists and US and foreign officials, reported that Obama administration officials emphasized the administration has expanded contacts with opposition military forces to provide the Persian Gulf nations with assessments of rebel credibility and command-and-control infrastructure. According to the report, material is being stockpiled in Damascus, in Idlib near the Turkish border and in Zabadani on the Lebanese border. Opposition activists who had earlier complained that the rebels were running out of ammunition started saying in May 2012 that the flow of weapons - most bought on the black market in neighboring countries or from elements of the Syrian military in the past - had significantly increased after a decision by Saudi Arabia, Qatar and other Persian Gulf states to provide millions of dollars in funding each month. http://www.dailyhy.net/syrian-army-kills...b-187h.htm
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Quote:The Syrian army killed half a dozen Turkish officers and a terrorist commander in a series of military operations in Reef (outskirts of) Idlib in Northwestern Syria.
I wonder how MSM will play this one.
I also wonder how Recep "Gladio B" Erdogan will regard the killing of Turkish officers somewhere they had no legitimate business being: inside Syrian territory.
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War." Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon
"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta." The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war
Quote:The Syrian army killed half a dozen Turkish officers and a terrorist commander in a series of military operations in Reef (outskirts of) Idlib in Northwestern Syria.
I wonder how MSM will play this one.
They wont even acknowledge it or cover it.
Jan Klimkowski Wrote:I also wonder how Recep "Gladio B" Erdogan will regard the killing of Turkish officers somewhere they had no legitimate business being: inside Syrian territory.
Kidnapped by the Syrian Army on their way to Egypt to support the Brothers.
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx
"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.
“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
…this story keeps getting curiouser and curiouser,…
He feels, however, the story is true and Israel did launch its attacks from Turkey. He then offers several tentative answers as to why Turkey would allow such an attack to occur against a Muslim country, by Israel with which Turkey doees not have great relations.
His suggestions range around Turkey not really liking Assad and perhaps also wanting to serve notice to Hezbollah that it cannot escallate its involvement in Syria without others having a say. Mr Silverstein is far more expert particularly about Israel than I am, but I do not find his suggestions very convincing.
I do not doubt an attack was launched on Syria from Turkey and that the planes could have been Israeli. Is it too far fetched to wonder if the Turkish government, or some of it at least, was not aware and was not asked? Perhaps this will seem conspiratorial. But I think after the Snowden revelations we have to admit that quite a great deal does go on in national territories which the home governments claim not to have been aware of, even while elements of their own militaries and itelligence services were.
So with that in mind here are some thoughts.
I have argued for some years now that the country which poses the greatest threat to israel is in fact Turkey. The greatest threat to Israel's position in the world is not military anihilation but diplomatic irrelevance. Turkey, I have argued, threatens to usurp israel's place as the important regional power by offering what I called the Pax Turkana as an alternative to what I characterized as the Bellus Israeli.
In the Pax Turkana article I argued that Israel's position has always relied on there being a state of instability and war in its region which it was seen as the key to containing or solving. So long as there was war and so long as Israel was its focus, Israel was the important regional power. But if ever a country could offer an alterative based on diplomacy and dialogue then Israel would be threatened. You do not have to like those who currently run Turkey to see that they have created a powerful and new position of regional intermediary and honest' broker that spans from Iran to Europe and the U.S..
If the idea of Turkey being seen as a regional alternative to Israel, has any truth to it, then Israel would sooner or later need to do something about it. What could put a dent in Turkey's position as honest broker and diplomat?
Which brings us back to the story of the raid. Let us accept that a raid did happen. First question is did the Turkish government sanction it? According to the Hurriyet Daily news, some at the very top of the Turkish government say absolutely not.
Foreign Minister Ahmet DavutoÄŸlu has denied claims that Israel used a Turkish military base to launch an attack against Syria, saying the claims were complete lies and had no basis in reality.
"Turkey will neither be a part nor a partner of such attacks.' The ones who claim this want to damage Turkey's power and reputation,"
So either the raid did not happen or he is lying, or he was not told nor asked. Could a raid happen without the Foreign Minister being told? Once again we need to think about the recent revelations about what large sections of the German or British governments, for example, were not aware of.
Like many countries Turkey hosts foreign military bases, the main one being, Incirlik Air Base. This is a joint Turkish/U.S. base which also has a British presence. Is it imposible to imagine a scenario where the U.S. military either launches a raid itself or allows Israel to launch one from such a base?
We have no detail about radar tracking of the planes before the raid and may never have. The planes could have come from anywhere including a carrier in the Med. The planes could have been Israeli or they could have been American with Israeli pilots. The permutations are not limited.
Next question why would the incident be highlighted by the Turks? My answer would be either because of someone who was genuinely outraged and wanted answers, or because of someone whose loyalities had been procured. Neither would be unheard of.
What would the governing elite of Israel get out of it? Everything, would be my answer. Anything that makes peace more remote and lessens the standing of those who seek diplomacy over war, helps the ruling elite of Israel.
Why would the U.S. possibly facilitate such a plan? My answer would be to caution against thinking of the U.S. as one unitary thing. No country is a single unitfied interest. There are elements in the U.S. military, its defence industries, intelligence world and State who side with the present rulers of Israel.
Whatever power struggles go on between Israel and the U.S. the fact remains that the U.S. sees Israel as its ally, whereas Turkey is not quite so dependant upon it. Turkey has alliances with the U.S. but has equal if not closer ties to the EU.
That makes a regionally powerful Turkey an augmentation of EU power into a region the U.S. may tire of, but which it cannot yet afford to forget. So I think it likely that various powers within the U.S. would approve of a plan which hurt Turkey and any Pax Turkana, while helping Israel and the continuation of the instabilities and hostilities of the Bellus Israeli.
Speculation? Of course. But we live in times when to simply assume that all is as our masters assure us it is, is beyond foolhardy.
There are powerful forces which want peace and diplomacy like a virus wants a cure.
I like Golem's thinking on this one. I was privy to watching Richard Silverstein discussing the bombing when it happened and trying to verify the information. He has good and trusted sources and others also verified it. I believe he was the first to report it. http://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2013/07/israel...nter-claim
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx
"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.
“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
BREAKING: 'THE MATERIALS OF THE CHEMICAL ATTACK & ACCUSATIONS AGAINST SYRIAN GVT TROOPS POSTED SEVERAL HOURS BEFORE THE ATTACK' - Russia
The materials blaming the forces of Syrian president Bashar Assad in chemical weapons use near Damascus were prepared prior to the alleged incident on August 21, the Russian foreign ministry said.
Moscow continues to monitor closely the event surrounding the "alleged" chemical attack near Damascus, Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman, Aleksandr Lukashevich, said in a statement.
"We're getting more new evidence that this criminal act was of a provocative nature," he stressed. "In particular, there are reports circulating on the Internet, in particular that the materials of the incident and accusations against government troops had been posted for several hours before the so-called attack. Thus, it was a pre-planned action."
The Damascus chemical attack accusations indicate the launch of "another anti-Syrian propaganda wave" and, in this context, the calls on the UN Security Council to immediately use force in Syria "heard from some EU capitals" are "unacceptable", Lukashevich said.
The Foreign Ministry spokesman said that Assad's government has demonstrated a "constructive approach" to the chemical weapons issue by allowing UN experts into the country.
But it's alarming that the "same signals" aren't coming from the Syrian opposition, which so far hasn't displayed willingness to ensure the safety and efficient operations of UN investigators on the territory it controls, he said.
"This directly impedes (prevents/hinders) the objective investigation of allegations of possible cases of chemical weapons use in Syria, which is called for by a number of countries and which the Russian side supports," Lukashevich noted.
The Russian foreign ministry "strongly appeals to those who should put pressure on the opposition, making it take the necessary steps in order to ensure the full realization of the objectives of the international expert mission," the spokesman said.
Despite President Obama cautioning against intervention in Syria, the Pentagon is making "initial preparations" for a cruise missile attack on Syrian government forces, according to a new report.
Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey is expected to present options for such a strike at a White House meeting on Saturday, CBS News reported on Friday.
President Barack Obama is under renewed pressure to take action following the emergence of footage of what appears to be the aftermath of a toxic agent attack in a Damascus suburb on Wednesday. The forces of President Bashar Assad were assaulting a rebel stronghold in the district at the time, but deny responsibility. Moscow, which has maintained close ties with the regime, called the incident a rebel "provocation" possibly designed to derail upcoming Geneva peace talks.
Questioned on the continuing upheaval in Syria and Egypt during a CNN interview Friday, President Obama said the United States should be wary "being drawn into very expensive, difficult, costly interventions that actually breed more resentment in the region."
Obama went on to express reservations for involvement in the 30-month Syrian conflict based on lack of international consensus.
"If the US goes in and attacks another country without a UN mandate and without clear evidence that can be presented, then there are questions in terms of whether international law supports it, [and] do we have the coalition to make it work?" said Obama. http://rt.com/news/us-missile-attack-syria-929/
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx
"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.
“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
Don't worry, Western spies will give us the unadulterated truth about Syria's chemical weapons. Just like the yellowcake before and the incubator babies. Sounds legit.
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Networks of Spies Aid Syria Gas Probe
Informants in rebel strongholds have collected tissue samples and video evidence for spy agencies.
BY ADAM ENTOUS, SIOBHAN GORMAN AND CASSELL BRYAN-LOW
A growing Western consensus that Syria's government used chemical weapons this week against its own people is based on information from networks of informants in rebel strongholds, who collect tissue samples and video evidence for Western and Middle Eastern spy agencies, according to U.S., European and Arab officials.
The forensic networks, built up over the last six months by U.S. and allied spy agencies active in Syria, are playing a critical role in an urgent American analysis of what happened when Syrian forces bombarded suburbs around Damascus this week.
If U.S. intelligence agencies conclude chemical weapons were used on a ...
According to the Free Syrian Army, the Syrian authorities have bombarded the ghoutta, a suburb of Damascus, with sarin gas, Wednesday, August 21, 2013, resulting in a total of 1700 deaths. This announcement was immediately commented on by German, British and French authorities who have called an emergency meeting of the Security Council so that UN observers can be allowed to investigate. All of this information is taken over by the Atlanticist media as a certainty, the conditional being formally employed to allow investigators time to report evidence in the West.
This propaganda operation is grotesque: as everyone can observe on YouTube, the video evidence of the massacre of August 21st having been posted by the "Majles Rif" account ... the day before, on August 20th . On these videos, shocking at first, one quickly detects a setup: the wounded children appear haggard or drugged, do not have parents who accompany them. Boys are often naked, while the girls are all dressed. We see no hospital structure, not even a clandestine one, except screens and pockets of serum.
Some photographs had already been distributed by the Atlanticist media to accuse the Egyptian Army of a massacre at a camp of the Muslim Brotherhood in Cairo. Since dawn and throughout the day on Wednesday, August 21st, the Syrian Arab Army bombed the positions of the Free Syrian Army who were clustered in the south-eastern ghoutta (the band of subsistence agriculture around the capital). The combat zone was evacuated by the civilian population several months ago. It seems that the losses are considerable for jihadist groups. There was no use of gas which is only used in trench warfare.
The Russian authorities have denounced a propaganda campaign planned in advance as shown by the unanimity of the Atlantic media who have all parrotted in unison the version of the Free Syrian Army, without any verification. Iranian authorities pointed out that the use of chemical weapons by Syria in this type of war was absurd and unjustified given its current military successes.
The Security Council of the United Nations has expressed concern.
In 2003, the United States had used the charge of possession and use of poison gas as an excuse to attack Iraq. Secretary of State Colin Powell had brandished a bottle of liquefied gas before the Security Council and inflicted a PowerPoint presentation to support his claims. Ultimately, he acknowledged, after the destruction of Iraq, that all the evidence was false and that he had lied to the entire international community.
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Since dawn and throughout the day on Wednesday, August 21st, the Syrian Arab Army bombed the positions of the Free Syrian Army who were clustered in the south-eastern ghoutta (the band of subsistence agriculture around the capital). The combat zone was evacuated by the civilian population several months ago. It seems that the losses are considerable for jihadist groups. There was no use of gas which is only used in trench warfare.