Quote:Looks like the plane in the middle (Boeing-777) was shot by the following aircraft, and then the follower also crashed - right near the border - the dot has stopped movement for almost a minute, which is impossible for a flying plane. And there is another plane strangely going the opposite course. It looks like this third plane shot the follower, the one who shot the Boeing. Probably to get rid of the killer, who may feel remorse and tell the truth about the whole thing.
"There are three sorts of conspiracy: by the people who complain, by the people who write, by the people who take action. There is nothing to fear from the first group, the two others are more dangerous; but the police have to be part of all three,"
"There are three sorts of conspiracy: by the people who complain, by the people who write, by the people who take action. There is nothing to fear from the first group, the two others are more dangerous; but the police have to be part of all three,"
Peter Presland Wrote:More on the competency and efforts of the DPR to manage the crash site and human remains properly and in desperately difficult circumstances. This is straight from the mouth of an OSCE monitor and thus relatively free of the filtered, distorted, agenda-driven crap of the western MSM. Nice to hear the DPR being referred to AS the DPR too - rather than the obligatory "so-called" or more usual "terrorists" of the Kiev propaganda machine. My guess is he will be in trouble for that little mistake.
Interview starts at @ 1.25.
Note - None of the OSCE team qualified investigation experts who, at the time of this video were yet to be given the necessary clearances and safe passage corridor by the Kiev Junta.
Dutch expert: Ukraine body recovery team for MH17 crash did a hell of a job'
Quote:HRABOVE (Ukraine), July 21 The Dutch head of a team sent to identify the victims of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 praised the Ukrainian recovery workers who collected hundreds of bodies from a giant swathe of land in a war zone for doing a "hell of a job".
Peter van Vliet, leader of a 3-man team of Dutch body identification experts, the first international investigators to visit the crash area, said his priority would be getting hundreds of bodies now stored in refrigerated rail cars to a location where they can be identified and sent home.
Despite reports that some of the bodies may have been looted and were never properly secured during days lying out in summer sun, van Vliet expressed admiration for the recovery crews that gathered them.
"I'm very impressed about the work that was done over here," he said after inspecting the main crash site, where bodies were still being found a day earlier pinned under chunks of aircraft wreckage.
Citing the heat and the scale of the site, he said: "I think they did a hell of a job in a hell of a place."
"There are three sorts of conspiracy: by the people who complain, by the people who write, by the people who take action. There is nothing to fear from the first group, the two others are more dangerous; but the police have to be part of all three,"
Paul Rigby Wrote:Official video - Russian Defense Ministry release evidence of Ukrainian Air Force SU-25 fighter in close proximity to Malaysia Air MH17
In connection with the July 17 crash of a passenger aircraft "Boeing 777" airline "Malaysia Airlines", follow the international air route Amsterdam - Kuala Lumpur, recently, a large amount of conflicting information. Therefore, the Russian Defense Ministry found it necessary to introduce at the disposal of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, the data of objective control.
The diagram shows the international route, on which was supposed to fly "Boeing 777." Note that plane to Donetsk followed the established corridor, and then he has deviated from the route to the north. The maximum distance from the left border of the corridor was 14 km.
In the future, there is a maneuver to return "Boeing-777" within the established air corridor. Finish the same maneuver initiated Malaysian crew did not have time. With 17.20 recorded steady fall speed of the aircraft, and in 17.23 - the disappearance of an airplane with a mark Russian radar screens. What was the reason for going beyond the limits of the route - a navigation error crew or command execution manager Ukrainian air traffic control in Dnepropetrovsk - exactly can be answered only after decoding flight recorders, known as "black boxes", and talks dispatchers.
According to our data a day crash Malaysian "Boeing-777" group defense of the armed forces of Ukraine near the city of Donetsk numbered three or four anti-aircraft missile complex division "Buk-M1."
These complexes are capable of hitting targets at ranges up to 35 km and at altitudes - up to 22 km. Why Ukrainian and against whom the security forces deployed as a powerful group of defense near Donetsk? After all, as you may know there is no militia aviation.
In the diagram it is clear that the line of flight, as well as the proposed location of lesions Boeing fall into range air defense system "Buk-M1" of the armed forces of Ukraine.
We have satellite images of individual locations of air defense of the Ukrainian army in the south-east of the country.
The first three pictures are dated July 14, 2014:
- Figure 1 shows a picture of the SAM launchers "Book" in the area of ​​8 km north-west of Lugansk.
In the picture you can see a well-propelled launcher mounts and two pre-charging machine.
- A picture 2 - radar station near the city of Donetsk, 5 km to the north. The photograph shows two radar stations, as well as various equipment and technical facilities.
- A picture 3 - displays the position of air defense in the area north of Donetsk.
In the picture is clearly visible propelled fire setting with rotated launcher, about 60 units of various military and special equipment, shelter for machinery and other technical facilities.
And here's a snapshot of the same district, made on July 17.
Please note that the launcher is missing.
5 In the photo you can see that on the morning of the same day near the village of Zaroschinskoe that 50 km east of Donetsk and 8 km south of Shahtersk battery detected "Book." The question arises why the battery was in the area, close to the territory controlled by militias, and just before the tragedy?
Shooting in the area, made July 18 in the same area (Fig. 6) showed that the battery has left previously occupied position.
Moreover, it was July 17 increased the maximum intensity of the Ukrainian radar stations 9S18 "Dome-M1" aircraft missile systems "Buk".
On the slide, you see well that on June 15 worked 7 stations, July 16 - 8 and July 17 - were already 9. But on July 18, the intensity of the radar declined sharply and now stands at 2-3 per day. What is the reason yet to understand.
Separately want to show data on the traffic situation in the region of Donetsk on this day.
On the slide you can see the data of objective control in the period from 17.10 to 17.30 hours Moscow time.
During this period, the air was three civilian aircraft operating regular flights:
Flight from Copenhagen to Singapore at 17:17;
Flight from Paris to Taipei at 17:24;
Amterdama flight from Kuala Lumpur.
In addition, the Russian air control means setting fixed climb Ukrainian Air Force aircraft, Su-25, presumably in the direction of the Malaysian "Boeing-777". Removal of the Su-25 of "Boeing-777" was from 3do 5 km.
According to its characteristics of the Su-25 is able to briefly reach a height of 10,000 meters in the composition of its standard weapons included rocket class "air-air" R-60, capable of capturing and hit a target at a distance up to 12 km, and is guaranteed at a distance of 5 km.
For what purpose combat aircraft was flying on airway civil aviation almost simultaneously and at the same level with passenger aircraft? I would like to get an answer to this question.
Confirmation of the information presented videos are working in this period of Rostov zonal center Unified Air Traffic Management System. Their comment on the Chief of Staff of the Air Force, Lieutenant General Igor Makushev.
Dear ladies and gentlemen!
Today from the Federal Air Transport Agency received materials objective control Rostov zonal center Unified Air Traffic Management System.
Videos presented on this control information about the traffic situation in the city of Donetsk region in the period from 17 hours 19 minutes to 17 hours 25 minutes (Moscow time) on July 17, 2014.
In the upper left corner of the mark from the aircraft Boeing-772 that flies the route COPENHAGEN - SINGAPORE.
Beneath it - a mark of the aircraft Boeing - 777, following the route Amsterdam - KUALA - LUMPUR.
Right - a mark of the aircraft Boeing - 778, on the route DELHI - BERMINGEYM.
All three aircraft steadily observed three radar stations of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
Boeing - 777 moves in the direction of the state border of the Russian Federation and must cross it at "TONAK."
Manager, previously controlling the flight of the aircraft, constantly seeking his flight parameters against specified.
In 17 hours and 20 minutes at a distance of 51 km from the state border of the Russian Federation on an azimuth of 300 degrees sharply plane started to lose speed, which is clearly seen in the scoreboard characteristics of air object.
If speed drops to 200 kilometers per hour in 17 hours 21 minutes 35 seconds in the destruction of the Boeing new mark appears on air facility.
This air to steadily observed radar post USTB - Donetsk and BUTURINSKOE within 4 - minutes.
Manager requesting characteristics reappear object data about its parameters can not receive, because it is likely the aircraft system is not equipped with a secondary identification, which is typical for military aircraft.
Early detection of this air object was not possible since the control of the air situation provided radar facilities with standby to detection in this range at the altitude of 5000 meters.
Detection was made possible when climbing.
Further change in the flight parameters of the object at the rate indicates that it loitering near destruction of the Boeing - 777 and monitors the situation.
Ukrainian officials have previously reported that in this day Ukrainian military aircraft on the line of the initial incident was not, as you can see it is not so. Thank you.
Have a question and to our American colleagues. At the request of U.S. officials in the United States there are pictures from space confirming that the launch in the direction of the Malaysian aircraft committed by militias. But these pictures never seen before.
According to our calculations, in the period from 17.06 to 17.21 (Moscow time) on July 17 over the south-eastern territory of Ukraine really flew an American spacecraft. " This experimental apparatus space system "STSS" designed to detect and track missile launches of various ranges. If the American side, there are pictures from the satellite were asked to introduce them to the world community for a detailed study.
An accident or not, but the crash of the Malaysian "Boeing-777" and the observation time for the U.S. satellite Ukrainian territory coincides?
In conclusion I would like to note that the information submitted by us is based on objective and reliable information from various Russian hardware, unlike the baseless allegations against us. An example is show in the media move launcher "Buk-M1" trailer allegedly operating from Ukrainian to Russian territory. There is a clear manipulation of materials.
Pictures made in Krasnoarmeysk, as evidenced located next to the road banner, on which the address dealership down the street Dnipropetrovsk 34. And he Krasnoarmiysk from May 11 under the control of the Ukrainian army.
In this regard, we have a number of questions. What is this launcher? Where it transported? Where is it now? Why is she not charged full ammunition missiles? When was the last time it was made with start?
In conclusion, I wish to emphasize that the Russian Federation has not passed the militia of anti-aircraft missile systems "Buk-M4", as well as other kinds of weapons and military equipment.
Materials prepared by the Russian Defense Ministry today will be transferred to the experts of leading European countries and Malaysia. I hope that they will help to conduct an objective investigation into the tragedy that occurred on July 17, in the skies over the Donets.
Defense Ministry will continue to inform about newly revealed facts related to aviation disaster Malaysian aircraft "Boeing 777."
"There are three sorts of conspiracy: by the people who complain, by the people who write, by the people who take action. There is nothing to fear from the first group, the two others are more dangerous; but the police have to be part of all three,"
Quote:Looks like the plane in the middle (Boeing-777) was shot by the following aircraft, and then the follower also crashed - right near the border - the dot has stopped movement for almost a minute, which is impossible for a flying plane. And there is another plane strangely going the opposite course. It looks like this third plane shot the follower, the one who shot the Boeing. Probably to get rid of the killer, who may feel remorse and tell the truth about the whole thing.
I think the Russian video shows that those were two commercial flights. I think one was Cathay Pacific to Singapore and the other was Delhi to Birmingham.
Quote:So all Putin has to do is sit tight and he wins, mainly because the EU needs Moscow's gas. If energy supplies are terminated or drastically reduced, prices will rise, the EU will slide back into recession, and Washington will take the blame. So Washington has a very small window to draw Putin into the fray, which is why we should expect another false flag incident on a much larger scale than the fire in Odessa. Washington is going to have to do something really big and make it look like it was Moscow's doing. Otherwise, their pivot plan is going to hit a brick wall.
The date of publication? 9 July 2014.
"There are three sorts of conspiracy: by the people who complain, by the people who write, by the people who take action. There is nothing to fear from the first group, the two others are more dangerous; but the police have to be part of all three,"
"There are three sorts of conspiracy: by the people who complain, by the people who write, by the people who take action. There is nothing to fear from the first group, the two others are more dangerous; but the police have to be part of all three,"
22-07-2014, 06:16 AM (This post was last modified: 22-07-2014, 06:55 AM by Peter Lemkin.)
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
Quote:So all Putin has to do is sit tight and he wins, mainly because the EU needs Moscow's gas. If energy supplies are terminated or drastically reduced, prices will rise, the EU will slide back into recession, and Washington will take the blame. So Washington has a very small window to draw Putin into the fray, which is why we should expect another false flag incident on a much larger scale than the fire in Odessa. Washington is going to have to do something really big and make it look like it was Moscow's doing. Otherwise, their pivot plan is going to hit a brick wall.
The date of publication? 9 July 2014.
Great article...can't believe I've never heard of this guy before.
