09-08-2015, 12:29 PM
(This post was last modified: 09-08-2015, 01:36 PM by Tom Scully.)
Miles Scull Wrote:Drew Phipps Wrote:The curtain rod story was committed to writing by Frasier late afternoon, on Nov. 22, in a written affidavit. That could easily have made it to public awareness before the 26th. Especially given the propensity of the DPD to leak details to the voracious reporters. However, I don't have a specific newspaper article or news video.
"Texas cable news has just published his article concerning the long-suppressed testimony of Wesley Frazier, who gave Oswald a ride to their workplace at the Texas School Book Depository on the morning of 22 Nov. 1963."
"I got up and finished getting ready and got my lunch and went to the door and met Lee on the car port. We then walked to my car, it was parked backed up at the side of the car port. Before I got in the car, I glanced in the back seat, and saw a big sack. It must have been about 2' long, and the top of the sack was sort of folded up, and the rest of the sack had been kind of folded under. I asked Lee what was in the sack, and he said "curtain rods", and I remembered that he had told me the day before that he was going to bring some curtain rods." -- Wesley Frazier
SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN BEFORE ME THIS 22 DAY OF November A.D. 1963
/s/Mary Rattan
Notary Public, Dallas County, Texas
So, who leaked this: that Oswald carried a 2' long sack containing curtain rods?
How did Yates twist this into a 4' to 4 1/2' long package wrapped in brown wrapping paper?
The fudges are accumulating.
Again, can anyone cite a source from anywhere that Yates' information of the 26th was published anywhere before Yates reported on the 26th such that he could concoct his elaborate lie to report same to the FBI?
The doubters are snatching at straws by way of fudge production.
You quote only details contained in FBI files, as did authors James Douglass and Larry Hancock. They were attempting to make their books interesting enough to purchase, and they both presented an impressive variety of thought provoking examples. The Yates example, unfortunately, was not one of them. Unless you have sources other than "as told to FBI agent Ben S. Harrison" (Harrison's 26 November "curtain rods" in his Yates interview report was included in an internal, confidential FBI document) you are determining what weighs what in a very limited number of relevant FBI report pages.
Your insistence is supported only by your insistence. You are wishing that "curtain rods" was the verbatim description Yates spoke to Ben S. Harrison, and you KNOW (sure you do!) Dempsey Jones did not say "window shades".......
Do you ever actually consider the problem? You do not start off with original research, you begin with faith in what you've read in Hancock's or Douglass's book and you quote it and then attempt to support what is actually impossible to support!
Pick a controversy you can actually support an interpretation of. This is not one. You desperately hug Dorothy Yates Walkers' 40 year old recollections,
including the inaccurate claim that Yates was sent by the FBI to a Dallas area mental hospital in which he remained for eleven years, immediately after the 4 January polygraph "incident". The record contradicts this. See http://www.larry-hancock.com/documents/exhibits_5.html and .PDF pg. 22: http://www.larry-hancock.com/documents/endnotes.pdf
Quote:Chapter 13. Patsies (SWHT - Larry Hancock)
Exhibit 13-1, FBI reports and memoranda on Dallas Downtown Lincoln-Mercury Oswald
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incident, September 1964.
Excerpt from document CIA 104-10300-10078; Exhibit 13-2.
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FBI Memo, November 27, 1963; FBI Report DL 44 1639 SA Ben S. Harrison.
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Exhibit 13-3, FBI report of November 27, 1963; interview with Ralph Yates and his uncle,
4.
Mr. J. O. Smith.
The Jones interview was conducted by SA Arthur Carter; Dallas File DL 44-1639.
5.
2006 interview with Dorothy Yates by James Douglass in
6.
JFK and the Unspeakable,
(Maryknoll, NY: Orbis Books, 2008) 353-355......
Dontcha have to do better than quote an inaccurate timeline and a misrepresented scenario, or are do you simply give yourselves a pass to make it up as you go along, because ???????
Albert Doyle Wrote:....................
Quote: On January 2, 1964, FBI director J. Edgar Hoover sent a teletype marked "URGENT" to Dallas Special Agent in Charge J. Gordon Shanklin on Ralph Leon Yates. Hoover noted that a previous FBI investigation into whether Yates may have been at his company at the same time he said he picked up the Oswald-like hitchhiker provided insufficient evidence "to completely discredit Yates' story." Hoover therefore ordered the Dallas FBI office to "reinterview Yates with polygraph," the instrument more commonly known as a "lie detector."..........................
On January 4 in another "URGENT" teletype, Shanklin reported back to Hoover on Yates's polygraph examination that day: "Results of test were .inconclusive as Yates responded to neither relevant or control type questions." Because his lie-detector test was inconclusive, Yates had still not been discredited. But there was more to come.
During his final, January 4 trip to the FBI office, Ralph Yates was accompanied by his wife, Dorothy. He had asked her to come with him. In an interview forty-two years later, she told me what happened next to her husband. After he completed his (inconclusive) lie-detector test, she said, the FBI told him he needed to go immediately to Woodlawn Hospital, the Dallas hospital for the mentally ill. He drove there with Dorothy. He was admitted that evening as a psychiatric patient. From that point on, he spent the remaining eleven years of his life as a patient in and out of mental health hospitals. ................
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2...0634&hl=en
How much time do you imagine Dempsey Jones spent with Yates between the afternoon of 22 November and the morning after the national day of mourning (25 November)?
Quote:http://maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docI...D%20shades
On 11/27/63
....but after the death of the President, Yates described the package.....
...Yates said this man told him it was some window shades he was carrying.....
.......Jones was unable to describe what agency Yates was talking about.
He said he recalled Yates mentioned calling "them" on November 26, 1963.....
Quote:Seeing the Unspeakable: Lee Harvey Oswald and his ...
www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/Unspeakable/TwoLHOs.html
Most significant in this instance was the package in brown wrapping paper that the man insisted on keeping with him in the cab, which he said contained "curtain ...
....During his final, January 4 trip to the FBI office, Ralph Yates was accompanied by his wife, Dorothy. He had asked her to come with him. In an interview forty-two years later, she told me what happened next to her husband. After he completed his (inconclusive) lie-detector test, she said, the FBI told him he needed to go immediately to Woodlawn Hospital, the Dallas hospital for the mentally ill. He drove there with Dorothy. He was admitted that evening as a psychiatric patient. From that point on, he spent the remaining eleven years of his life as a patient in and out of mental health hospitals.[775]
775. Author's interview of Dorothy Walker (formerly Dorothy Yates, widow of Ralph Leon Yates), August 12, 2006.
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jfk.hood.edu/Collection/FBI%20Records%20Files/105-82555/.../71c.pdf
On January 10, 1964, Kr. DONALD HOWARD ARMSTRONG,. 33121A Knight Street, advised that ..... Allegedly Picked Up by RALPH LEON YATES on Date ". ...... ATES telephoned SA C. RAY HALL, and stated he desired to alk with SA HALL ...
[PDF]2 -15L 100-10461 During the whole incident, he does not ...
jfk.hood.edu/Collection/FBI%20Records%20Files/105.../105-55b.pdf
'voluntarily to C. RAY HALL, who has identified himself to me as a .... 27 (January 23, 1936, Dallas,. Texas) ". 5' 8" ... RALPH LEON YATES, Jr., age 2;. MARK A.
[PDF]DL 100-10461 'Walked Into Hospital at 3 min to midnit Jan ...
jfk.hood.edu/Collection/FBI%20Records%20Files/105-82555/.../71d.pdf
Texas, advised that on January 14, 1964, after her husband had been at the ... doctors there, RALPH LEON YATES was admitted as a patient, ... C. RAY HALL.
Quote:JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1439193886
James W. Douglass - 2010 - ‎Biography & Autobiography
Most significant in this instance was the package in brown wrapping paper that the man insisted on keeping with him in the cab, which he said contained "curtain ...
Ten days after author Douglass's description of Dorothy Yates Walker's forty year old memories of Ralph's "forced" 4 January, 1964 commitment to a mental hospital.:
http://maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?...d=149&tab=page
http://maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?...d=155&tab=page
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