06-09-2009, 04:45 AM
(This post was last modified: 06-09-2009, 05:11 AM by Bernice Moore.)
hi myra....
memory here.....:vollkommenauf:imo there were no shots from the criminal courts building as there was a 15 ft high inner wall and...... then a 2 ft outer wall......i belive that info is within thompsons......s s in d
the records building is a possible as well as the dal tex , there was also a report of several broken windows in the dt....?4th floor i believe.....and both the south and north sewer drain locations on either side of the over pass....as well as behind the fence area, there were approx 11 men that sam holland named as well as himself..most worked for the rail road......on the overpass, most remarked on a shot or shots......and also seeing smoke rise from behind the fence......as well as i believe 4 others on elm that also stated such...2 i think newspaper reporters.....i do have the stats and info within my collection..and possibly a shot from behind to the right of zapruder looking at the pedestal....possible BDGMN....?.where he first stated a shot did pass by him.....in an fbi report....sitzman saw nothing. heard nothing,said nothing, enough about that after tink got ahold of her for their interview...and after the BDMN had been found in Willis ? she suddenly recalled about the black couple on the bench....who broke two coke bottles, on the cement, later becoming one bottle....though none is seen in photos or films....only a red stain on the ground, which jean hill may have also seen,
....though sitzman she was ignored by the authourities....all....deliberately....it appears.......she was never contacted ..to give a statement to the w/c as most of the rr men were not either.....only sam holland, and only because he was so vocal and did and continued to forever give them a hard time for trying to and changing some of his testimony.....and as i well know, hearing the groan now.....a possible upward shot from the sewer drain on elm on the street at the time.....re Wilson's work.....keeping also in mind the trajectory of the head shot was on an upward angle......as it has been said within the med studies...the shooter would have had to have been lying on elm street.....that is the why in the sbt w/c drawings jfk's head is bent down on such a downward angle to make that possible but from the frames within the crappy zappy , nix....and muchmore films, i believe also, his head does not appear so....nor does a possible trajectory from the tsbd....
as lee bowers did state , in what he did give us, but apparently it may appear there was further info he did not give to the authouritys....that just as the limo disappeared from his view behind the collonade north on elm ......shots rang out......and at that instant he noted some commotion 6H288.....from behind the fence area....
price was on top of the terminal annex bldg .on the roof you can see him in mark lanes video......rush to judgement.......the post office....south side.....and did relate info of seeing a young man,.......longish dark hair and something, perhaps a head piece ??in his hand..... run from behind the fence towards a train passenger car on the railway siding..and disappeared in the direction of the side street of the tsbd..he did not report any shots from the area of his building......
aside from the bullet that was reported that hit the sewer apron on elm...the buddy walther....bullet...fbi agent barrett i believe his name was who picked it up..buddy who ended up with it....dorothy his wife also saw it........gave the bullet to his son duke..for show and tell at school....and that was the last that was heard of it....the mark oakes tapes have much of the sewer apron bullet info ....there was mr & mrs hartman who saw two like ruts in the grass opposite the steps area, a dpd told them they were bullet hits that missed...that had burrowed in the ground.......she said they looked something like little mole tunnels, ....then there was the sidewalk hit, on the north side......
so if one begins to add up it comes out something like 10 or so....perhaps more......and keeping in mind the flurry of shots mentioned into the limo by the ss within, and that first reports stated the shots sounded as though they were fired from an automatic.....it appears there were many more possibles than three......another area that was also mentioned was the west end 6th floor window of the tsbd......which after being looked from was an area that gave a much clearer view and trajectory than the so called oswald window.....
there was also a bullet shell found some time later near or in the bushes near the tsbd as well as on the roof some years later on the roof of the county courts i believe ?when they were working on an a/c unit......
right now i have a bad neck that affects the rest of my right side, it has improved..on the mend...so one finger here...:argh:...but i shall get into my collections for you and post documented info if wanted.....below on a quick look is grodens possibleshot areas.....aside also from the rademacher shells found near the pedestal there was also another found some years later by a couple who were visiting....near the fence....then again who knows some may have been salted......??
ROBERT GRODEN, his HSCA-documented comments about the panels report, 1979"
http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/hs...mments.pdf
ATTACHMENT 3: SUSPECTED FIRING POINTS IN THE ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY, AS THEY RELATE TO THE PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE
There are nearly 2 dozen suspected firing points in Dealey Plaza that have been raised by Warren report critics through the years. Of these, several are worthy of close inspection for they may be candidates of probable sources of shots within the plaza. Some of the 2 dozen:
1. The TSBD easternmost sixth floor window facing south (the "Oswald" window).
2. The TSBD roof.
3. The TSBD seventh floor.
4. The TSBD fourth floor, third pair from the left (west) end.
5. The TSBD westernmost pair of sixth floor windows facing south.
6. The Dal-Tex building second floor.
7. The Dal-Tex building third floor.
8. The Dal-Tex building third floor. (any of the top three).
9. Dal-Tex roof.
10. The county records building roof.
11. The county records building second floor.
12. The stockade fence on top of the "grassy knoll".
13. The cement retaining wall in front of the stockade fence.
14. In front of the cement structure on the knoll at the end of the stockade fence (northeastern end).
15. The railroad overpass.
16. A storm drain at the north curb of Elm Street.
17. The "umbrella man".
18. The "south knoll" (the grassy knoll on the south side of the plaza on Commerce Street).
for now........b
PS the photo marked mark lane & Holland is from the area that they saw the smoke drift out from.....
memory here.....:vollkommenauf:imo there were no shots from the criminal courts building as there was a 15 ft high inner wall and...... then a 2 ft outer wall......i belive that info is within thompsons......s s in d
the records building is a possible as well as the dal tex , there was also a report of several broken windows in the dt....?4th floor i believe.....and both the south and north sewer drain locations on either side of the over pass....as well as behind the fence area, there were approx 11 men that sam holland named as well as himself..most worked for the rail road......on the overpass, most remarked on a shot or shots......and also seeing smoke rise from behind the fence......as well as i believe 4 others on elm that also stated such...2 i think newspaper reporters.....i do have the stats and info within my collection..and possibly a shot from behind to the right of zapruder looking at the pedestal....possible BDGMN....?.where he first stated a shot did pass by him.....in an fbi report....sitzman saw nothing. heard nothing,said nothing, enough about that after tink got ahold of her for their interview...and after the BDMN had been found in Willis ? she suddenly recalled about the black couple on the bench....who broke two coke bottles, on the cement, later becoming one bottle....though none is seen in photos or films....only a red stain on the ground, which jean hill may have also seen,
....though sitzman she was ignored by the authourities....all....deliberately....it appears.......she was never contacted ..to give a statement to the w/c as most of the rr men were not either.....only sam holland, and only because he was so vocal and did and continued to forever give them a hard time for trying to and changing some of his testimony.....and as i well know, hearing the groan now.....a possible upward shot from the sewer drain on elm on the street at the time.....re Wilson's work.....keeping also in mind the trajectory of the head shot was on an upward angle......as it has been said within the med studies...the shooter would have had to have been lying on elm street.....that is the why in the sbt w/c drawings jfk's head is bent down on such a downward angle to make that possible but from the frames within the crappy zappy , nix....and muchmore films, i believe also, his head does not appear so....nor does a possible trajectory from the tsbd....
as lee bowers did state , in what he did give us, but apparently it may appear there was further info he did not give to the authouritys....that just as the limo disappeared from his view behind the collonade north on elm ......shots rang out......and at that instant he noted some commotion 6H288.....from behind the fence area....
price was on top of the terminal annex bldg .on the roof you can see him in mark lanes video......rush to judgement.......the post office....south side.....and did relate info of seeing a young man,.......longish dark hair and something, perhaps a head piece ??in his hand..... run from behind the fence towards a train passenger car on the railway siding..and disappeared in the direction of the side street of the tsbd..he did not report any shots from the area of his building......
aside from the bullet that was reported that hit the sewer apron on elm...the buddy walther....bullet...fbi agent barrett i believe his name was who picked it up..buddy who ended up with it....dorothy his wife also saw it........gave the bullet to his son duke..for show and tell at school....and that was the last that was heard of it....the mark oakes tapes have much of the sewer apron bullet info ....there was mr & mrs hartman who saw two like ruts in the grass opposite the steps area, a dpd told them they were bullet hits that missed...that had burrowed in the ground.......she said they looked something like little mole tunnels, ....then there was the sidewalk hit, on the north side......
so if one begins to add up it comes out something like 10 or so....perhaps more......and keeping in mind the flurry of shots mentioned into the limo by the ss within, and that first reports stated the shots sounded as though they were fired from an automatic.....it appears there were many more possibles than three......another area that was also mentioned was the west end 6th floor window of the tsbd......which after being looked from was an area that gave a much clearer view and trajectory than the so called oswald window.....
there was also a bullet shell found some time later near or in the bushes near the tsbd as well as on the roof some years later on the roof of the county courts i believe ?when they were working on an a/c unit......
right now i have a bad neck that affects the rest of my right side, it has improved..on the mend...so one finger here...:argh:...but i shall get into my collections for you and post documented info if wanted.....below on a quick look is grodens possibleshot areas.....aside also from the rademacher shells found near the pedestal there was also another found some years later by a couple who were visiting....near the fence....then again who knows some may have been salted......??
ROBERT GRODEN, his HSCA-documented comments about the panels report, 1979"
http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/hs...mments.pdf
ATTACHMENT 3: SUSPECTED FIRING POINTS IN THE ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY, AS THEY RELATE TO THE PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE
There are nearly 2 dozen suspected firing points in Dealey Plaza that have been raised by Warren report critics through the years. Of these, several are worthy of close inspection for they may be candidates of probable sources of shots within the plaza. Some of the 2 dozen:
1. The TSBD easternmost sixth floor window facing south (the "Oswald" window).
2. The TSBD roof.
3. The TSBD seventh floor.
4. The TSBD fourth floor, third pair from the left (west) end.
5. The TSBD westernmost pair of sixth floor windows facing south.
6. The Dal-Tex building second floor.
7. The Dal-Tex building third floor.
8. The Dal-Tex building third floor. (any of the top three).
9. Dal-Tex roof.
10. The county records building roof.
11. The county records building second floor.
12. The stockade fence on top of the "grassy knoll".
13. The cement retaining wall in front of the stockade fence.
14. In front of the cement structure on the knoll at the end of the stockade fence (northeastern end).
15. The railroad overpass.
16. A storm drain at the north curb of Elm Street.
17. The "umbrella man".
18. The "south knoll" (the grassy knoll on the south side of the plaza on Commerce Street).
for now........b
PS the photo marked mark lane & Holland is from the area that they saw the smoke drift out from.....