Fred Lee Crisman

[David Guyatt]

Helen, I've been absent for two months and have only just got back in circuation, so please forgive the delay in responding to your post. My comments in red below

The Deros story is very reminiscent of the Agartha myth and I very much suspect that is actually the true root of it. If that is the case then we are looking at the same general occult grouping that sits around Martinism or splinter groups thereof.

True, good call, but Crisman was doing something else here. Rene Guenon in Lord of the World (Le Roi du Monde, recently mistranslated/mistitled as King of the World) even supplies the Gypsy connexion: he calls them a people in tribulation who had formerly lived in Agartha. Shaver was more Agarthic, while Crisman was talking about the "mek": the lasers in Burma and those that he said caused the Army Air Corps craft to crash, killing the two airmen near Kelso, Washington.

This was in 1947 and earlier, before lasers were invented.

Crisman seems to have been a veteran of the OSS in China/Indochina. That puts him close company with E Howard Hunt and some other important CIA figures. Hunt also went in for writing thrillers and probably knew or even contributed to the Shaver cycle.

E Howard Hunt also, intriguingly, wrote three occult novels under the non de plume of David St. John. These were Diabolus, Sorcerers and Coven. They were not very well written nor did the reflect deep knowledge of the subject matter. But it remains more than interesting that he chose to write on the subject at all and I still wonder what truly motivated his foray into the occult world.

Bannister was somehow involved keeping Paperclip secret. Maury Island is a stone's skip away from old Boeing Field. Dahl went silent and then disappeared because he had a visitation from the first Man in Black the day after Maury who told him everything that happened in detail and warned Dahl to keep silent to save himself and his family.

Ray Palmer is anonymously credited in the internet document Secrets of the Mojave because he advocated for Navajo rights and support. Shaverism is grounded more in the native American cave tradition than in Traditionalism. Fortean Times has done some work documenting this native American tradition from the European American side. Art Bell's Mel's Hole series also belongs in it. If you read Palmer's editorials in Amazing after June, 1947, he begins to hint at a dangerous fifth column taking shape in America, foreign nationals wielding "dero mek". He's hinting at Paperclip Nazis with saucer technology.

Please elucidate on "dero mek". I can find no reference to it anywhere on the internet (Google returns this page only) and am unfamiliar with the term.

I think if you look into it, Garrison and Bannister were both working for the FBI in Washington state in 1947, and both had contact of some kind with Crisman.

Yup, seems more than likely.

Palmer was discredited by some over Maury Island because he "lost" the physical evidence. His special blowout Shaver issue of June, 1947, was plagued by all sorts of dirty tricks, printer devils, imps of the perverse, mysterious disappearances, gremlins, deroes or g-men, Palmer never specifies. truly wyrd stuff. the kind of manifestation john keel should be interested in.

From what little I have read about the Shaver mystery it is just another twist/retelling of the Nazi Agartthi/Shambala-cum-hollow Earth stories that became popular post WWII, and which have an occult root dating from far earlier times. I believe this is not dissimilar to the story of Atlantis, the sunken city and many of those who follow Agartha also favour Atlantean mythology. Alexandre Saint-Yves d'Alveydre was, of course, a long serving occultist who began the whole Synarchy concept and whose follower Papus, adapted his teachings to found Martinism -- one of, if not the principal occult orders that has a long term political agenda (most stay well clear of politics).