Anyone want to discuss HARVEY & LEE?

[Tom Scully]

Tom, the timing mentioned by the daughter in connection with the photos is interesting. She said the TSBD photos were taken about an hour after the shooting, (How can Oswald be in that bus in the picture if it's at that time? How did he get a pic of Cecil Water's bus after Oswald was arrested? How long does Waters just keep driving his portion of the crime scene around Dallas, especially after being boarded by police?) but to my recollection, Oswald's arrest at the Theatre (and the photos taken there by Reed) took place shortly before that. Again, how is Reed getting around so quickly?

Drew,

It wasn't the daughter who is alleged to have stated it, (one hour after, etc.) it was SL Reed himself.:

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http://harveyandlee.net/November/November_22.htm
.....HARVEY OSWALD, WITH THE TIPPIT MURDER WEAPON, IS ARRESTED
......NOTE: Stuart Reed took all of these photos, which sequentially followed Oswald's movements, within 1 1/2 hours.
........The FBI told the WC that a government executive (Reed), answering to the military, took the photos. This seemed to satisfy the WC, and Reed dropped out of sight without ever seeing his photos. ......

Gary Schoener exchanged letters with Stuart L Reed in 1968, but not much detail emerges.:
SL Reed to Schoener : http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%...m%2001.pdf
Schoen's reply: http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%...m%2002.pdf

My point is that I don't know what happened, you don't know, and Armstrong does not know, and Jim Hargrove is speculating, (Reed missing, never saw photos he took, etc.). In Reed's handwritten letter, he is not missing and is familiar with the images on the slides he took.

I do not find that the FBI or WC represented the SL Reed bus photos specifically, but including such a photo as an exhibit infers that it was an image of McWatter's bus.

[PDF]Pages 101-150.pdf

jfk.hood.edu/Collection/White%20Materials/.../Pages%20101-150.pdf

Oct 9, 1992 - FBI report of November 26, 1963, page 5 prepared by O'Neill and Sibert. 2 ..... taken by Stuart L. Reed. 144a. FBI Exhibit D84-1 through D84-3.

[PDF]Item 03.pdf

jfk.hood.edu/.../FBI/FBI%20Exhibits%20List%20Federal%20Register/Ite...

Oswald or his wife, Marina. FBI exhibit. No. Dcacript ion. Photos and pictures. Postcards. ...... D84. Three colored enlargements made from 35 nrm trans- parencies taken by Stuart L. Reed

There is a separate WC exhibit that is of McWatters bus, empty and in the transit co. yard.:
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/j..._0497b.htm

Robert Charles-Dunne Posted 07 September 2006
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Mark:

Mull on the connective tissue of what follows below re: Powell and Oswald, and tell me if you think a linear tale emerges....

If you take a close look at the accompanying photo [sorry for the quality, but I'm barely competent with a scanner], you'll see two red circles. The top one identifies the building in which Powell worked, the Rio Grande Building on Elm St. where the 112th MIG was situated.

The bottom circles shows a bus, purportedly driven by Cecil McWatters with one LHO aboard. For those who have always wondered why LHO walked east to catch a westbound bus, it should be noted that LHO reputedly boarded that bus within a block of the 112th MIG offices. This could be written off as entirely coincidental, were it not for the 112th MIG's apparent prior knowledge of LHO/AJH, as stipulated by Col. Robert Jones in his HSCA testimony. Draw whatever inferences you choose.

More to the point, however, is that the photo below was one of two reproduced in Robert Groden's "The Search For LHO," both of which depict that same bus making its way along Elm St. toward the TSBD.

Both photos were taken by Stuart L. Reed, who also snapped at least one shot of the TSBD and a number of shots of LHO being arrested and escorted outside the Texas Theatre [also contained in "TSFLHO"].

The quality of Reed's photos is remarkably good, suggesting that if he was an amateur photographer, he was quite gifted. More pertinent, however, is that it seems Stuart Reed snapped the TSBD not long after the assassination, as well as Oswald's getaway bus with Oswald on it, and the subsequent arrest. Had Reed been a news photographer in Dallas, one could easily attribute his ubiquitous omnipresence at all the hotspots that day to his connections with local police and members of the press. Yet, it appears Reed had no such source of immediate inside information. .....[URL="http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=16712&p=211266"]
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Here is my own speculation when I knew very little about SL Reed and his photos and was accepting of a line that
Robert Groden may have embellished, as the WC did by including FBI Exhibit D84, three Reed images selected by the FBI. :

Tom Scully posted 07 November 2010 - 10:27 PM

Consider that it is likely that the FBI took custody of Stuart Reed's printed photos from the Dallas developing lab while Reed was on a boat sailing to Panama. We have only the FBI's version of what photos were taken by Reed and developed by the lab.

Any exculpatory photos beneficial to the accused, Oswald, could be disappeared without Reed or anyone else noticing. Any photos deemed too coincidental, especially considering that Stuart Reed is presented as the photographer of a timely shot of the sixth floor window, two shots of the bus that Oswald "made his escape" in, and of his arrest at the Texas Theater, could also have been disappeared if their existence was determined to be even more unbelievable than the photos which were attributed by the FBI to Stuart Reed. .......

And we're going this deep into this because I objected to the "missing" description posted by Jim. I have no budget for research, no inheritance. no independent wealth. John Armstrong does, but he also has an agenda. John Woods is the real deal, so why hasn't Armstrong interviewed him about the SL Reed photos?
Is the effect of John Armstrong's book and these recent presentations on the site maintained by Jim Hargrove, to influence readers to stop looking, because Armstrong explains it all? I am not saying that this effect is Armstrong's intent, and David Josephs is certainly actively researching, but through an Armstrong
fashioned prism.

I know what there is little basis for conclusion, but I don't know what happened, and I think you can't know either if you confine yourself through pet theory or a strong, preconceived notion.
[PDF]Woods John R II 13 B.. - The Harold Weisberg Archive

jfk.hood.edu/.../Woods%20John%20R%20II%2013%20Book%20Revie...

Photographic Evidence Relating to the Assassination of President John. F. Kennedy. John Woods, 11. (P.O.. Box 31042 Aurora, Co. 80041. Limited to 50 copies. ....The 687 page volume is in the format of a loose-leaf binder.....

Back Channels: A Quarterly Publication of Historical and ...

https://books.google.com/books?id=wyUhAQAAMAAJ

Peter Kross - 1991 - ‎Snippet view
In the opinion of the reviewer, neither of these photos do, in fact, show Jack Ruby. Based on information I've obtained it appears that with respect to the Altgens photo, the "Ruby" figure may turn out to be a Dallas Police Inspector. ... known and rarely seen film made by a group known as the Dallas Cinema Associates (better known under the title "President Kennedy's Finest Hour" or ... A final word: my hat is off to John Woods who has provided all the researchers with an invaluable tool.

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[TD="class: post, width: 85%"]Robin,

decades ago, i made a inquiry to purchased the reed slides. his son had somewhat
custody of his dad's slides but the asking price was beyond what i could afford. his
dad felt that all of his slides were not return to him and some slides were mis-labeled
as MacCammon or Reiland.

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[TD="class: post, width: 85%"]Woods (JFK Assassination Photographs) page 574


"In 1976, while working with the Reed photographs, two key figures were of interest. The first figure was later identified as another police officer (21) and dismissed. However, as earlier mention the second individual appears to be Ruby. It was towards the end of 1991, I was supplied with an article written by Earl Golz (22). The story was of a witness that came forth to state that he saw Jack Ruby at the theatre. After 15 years of remaining silent George J. Applin, Jr., told his story.

According to Applin, he believes that Ruby was the man sitting in the back row seat as the Dallas police were arresting Oswald inside the theatre. Golz quoted Applin that: 'Ruby was sitting down, just watching them. And when Oswald pulled the gun and snapped it at his (a policeman's) heand and missed and the darn thing wouldn't fire, that's when I tapped him (Ruby) on the should and told him he had better moves because thos guns were waving around. He just turned around and looked at me. Then he turned around and started watching them (23).'

It was nout until two days later that Applin realized that it was Ruby at the theatre when Oswald was murdered. During his testimony before the Warren Commission some four months later Applin declines to testify that he saw Ruby. Not once but twice he was asked by Joseph A. Ball but decline in fear of his life."

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Quote from: John Woods on July 04, 2010, 09:46:43 PM
hi gerry,

The MacCammon series includes the plaza after the assassination, the area of
the Tippit shooting and the arrest of Oswald at the Texas Theater including the
image you posted above.

Per my conversations with S.L. Reed's son, his father believes that one of the
images label as MacCammon was one of his images.

Shortly afterwards MacCammon left Dallas.

Per a disagreement with this forum, I no longer post images. Sorry.

johnw

ps. I would be interest in seeing a image of MacCammon.

I apologize for the nature of these sources, but they are unique and relevant in this response to Drew.