02-12-2015, 11:24 AM
(This post was last modified: 02-12-2015, 12:34 PM by Peter Lemkin.)
Look, I have spent years studying this matter at graduate school level as part of my formal studies - and in the decades afterwards. Even if global warming and climate changes were not anthropogenically driven [which I firmly believe science proves they are], even if it were not due to humans - but to something else WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO FIGHT TO DO ANYTHING/EVERYTHING TO REVERSE OR LESSEN THE EFFECTS - OR PERISH.
Look who you are getting into bed with on this: the major corporations and banks; the oligarchy worldwide; the rightwing thinktanks; the oil corporations; the coal and gas corporations; and groups and individuals like that. Just one specific example:
Yes, massive volcanic activity (such as the Decan Traps in India), and meteor strikes have caused sudden climate change in the past. Have you noticed any of either in the last several hundred years? No. This huge spike in CO2, Methane, and other greenhouse gases, causing global heating, climate change, ocean acidification, megadeath and changes of the biota are human driven.
Again, even if they were not, to save humanity and most other creatures on the Planet, we must do all we can to mitigate and negate the changes! Even those who for reasons most climate scientists do not 'buy' believe it is not humans causing this should still be on the same side as those who do to lessen the change and the horrible consequences. If you want to just throw up your hands and say it is out of human control [both cause and mitigation]....then rather than being part of the solution, you are part of the problem. IMHO.
Look who you are getting into bed with on this: the major corporations and banks; the oligarchy worldwide; the rightwing thinktanks; the oil corporations; the coal and gas corporations; and groups and individuals like that. Just one specific example:
Quote:Since 1997, Koch, who heads the oil and manufacturing conglomerate Koch Industries, has also provided at least $79 million in funding to groups that deny climate change and thwart government policies that would address it.
Yes, massive volcanic activity (such as the Decan Traps in India), and meteor strikes have caused sudden climate change in the past. Have you noticed any of either in the last several hundred years? No. This huge spike in CO2, Methane, and other greenhouse gases, causing global heating, climate change, ocean acidification, megadeath and changes of the biota are human driven.
Again, even if they were not, to save humanity and most other creatures on the Planet, we must do all we can to mitigate and negate the changes! Even those who for reasons most climate scientists do not 'buy' believe it is not humans causing this should still be on the same side as those who do to lessen the change and the horrible consequences. If you want to just throw up your hands and say it is out of human control [both cause and mitigation]....then rather than being part of the solution, you are part of the problem. IMHO.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass