FBI's Pants on Fire!

[David Josephs]

I read Bob's question to ask, "How did the FBI claim to have determined it was a mail order rifle, and precipitating all these searches?"

First off, Bob... can you show us that contract excerpt saying all those marks were to be removed - I ask since there are packing slips with carton and serial numbers which arrive from Italy and arrive from Crescent to Kleins. When Scibor and his team opens the boxes they write the SERIAL NUMBERS down on a ledger and then give each a VC# - in our case VC836. IF there are no serial numbers on the rifles and RUPP is expected by law to record the Serial #'s of the rifles he ships - we have a problem.

What gets me is that we see no other shipment of data from Kleins related to any other order or VC#'s assigned to rifles. According to the Evidence there's no record of a single one of the other 99 rifles sold. Waldman says they removed all the remaining similar rifles since they did not want to capitalize on the rifle type which many people would now want to buy. (Can you say BS?)

There was over 900 orders on that microfilm with more film at Kleins yet we do not have a single other example of a single rifle from that lot of 100 ever sold to anyone but HIDELL/OSWALD.
Not a single person has EVER come forward to say they have one of those other 99 rifles yet Kleins started to advertise this 40" FC rifle in April 1964 all the way thru Nov.
And didn't sell one?

I hope you see my problem here Bob. The evidence against Oswald the Lone Nut was mostly not available as of the shooting - evidence of a Castro-backed plan to kill JFK was. When that wasn't going to happen, the FBI went into high gear. The same exact thing happens regarding Mexico City - only even worse. Alvarado's WAS the story. $6500 to Ozzie, red-haired negro, etc.... a story I almost 100% positive was provided by Phillips as Alvarado was a CIA asset.
When that WASN'T the story, the Hoover went to his Mexico asset - Rafael Ochoa - who single-handedly created the majority of the fraudulent evidence trying to Oswald in and out of Mexico.

So Drew, the REAL question is "What did the FBI do to investigate that rifle so it could be connected to Oswald ?" Since everything was designed to find evidence against Oswald.

This was not a process of discovery but a process of a framing which changed from a Cuban conspiracy to a lone nut killer literally during the planeride back from Dallas when Bundy proclaims no conspiracy and a single shooter less than 2 hours after the fact. Thank you McGeorge.

There was no evidence at the time of the assassination which connected Oswald to the Rifle. The PMO is a fake and proveably so. The order blank is for a different rifle than ordered (just like the pistol ordered and shipped were not the same) The delivery and pickup which did not include Oswald if it even happened.

The base understanding we ALL must take from this case is that the FBI created the majority of the evidence which attempts to convict Oswald. the CIA and SS, I&NS, and ONI also helped in certain areas yet the lion share of the work was done by the FBI.

The standing challenge to LNers and CTers remains the same - can any item of evidence for Oswald's guilt be pointed to which can be authenticated as REAL EVIDENCE? I have yet to find any.

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Go back up to my posting of the documents. The 11/22 doc on the right claims they first checked with HL GREEN in Dallas (which of course means that if it was bought elsewhere in TX they did not check)

GREEN (whose evidence that he didn't sell a C2766 is simply the word of the FBI) gets his rifles from Crescent.

More importantly - the rifle found, C2766, was never at Kleins. Oswald never ordered the rifle (or that pistol for that matter and I prove why in my ctka work)
Kleins never shipped said rifle and the USPS never received or delivered said rifle. Unless you believe the uncorroborated reports of the FBI.

Dodd was already investigating Kleins and even Waldman claims the Dodd committee reps were driving him nuts the week after the assassination.

Start please with the premise that Oswald's ownership of said rifle must be proven - not accepted. Once you try and prove it with what the FBI offers as evidence you find that only 3 itemsr were used to authenticate the weapon as having been delivered to Kleins. One of them the 10 packing slips which are entered as evidence the first time according to the FBI by Feldsott related to a June 1962 shipment, and again in March 1964 as a Waldman exhibit.

He must claim then that 100 rifles as listed on packing slips FROM ITALY, are somehow all at Kleins along with the Italy to Crescent Packing slips... it FUBAR boys. I wrote over 70 pages on the Rifle acquisition and spent months researching it... With the evidence available - THAT rifle's journey ends at Harborside in NJ in Oct 1960. the first removal of rifles is August 1962 and did NOT remove the carton with C2766 - yet is supposedly received at Kleins in June, almost 3 months prior to this first removal.

Sorry - not possible.

[size=12]SIMILAR RIFLES SOLD IN DALLAS BY H. L. GREEN COMPANY
BUT THEIR RECORDS DO NOT REFLECT SALE OF THIS RIFLE.
CRESCENT FIREARMS COMPANY, NYC, IS SUPPLIER FOR H. L. GREEN
COMPANY, AND CURRENTLY REVIEWING RECORDS.
CRESCENT FIREARMS COMPANY, ALSO DBA FOLSOM FIREARMS
COMPANY, YONKERS, NEW YORK, SHIPPED RIFLE SN N TWO SEVEN
SIX SIX TO KLEINS SPORTING GOODS, CHICAGO, ILLINOIS, ON
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SI £ EIGHTEEN SIXTY. TWO. ALSO SHIPPED TO KLEINS ON THREE
TWENTY SEVEN SIXTY THREE RIFLE WITH SN C TWO SEVEN FOUR SIX
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