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Orlando, Fla. (home of giant theme parks) has 2 high profile murders in under 24 hours
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Pepe Escobar has referenced the following in a FB post. I don't really know why the AR-15 is still being discussed because we all know that's wasn't the assault weapon used. But I have also seen numerous media sources referencing this weapon anyway (see further down) and there seems to me to be an additional agenda going on to perhaps have the AR-15 banned?

From Dangerandplay:

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There was More than One Shooter at Pulse in Orlando

JUNE 12, 2016 BY MIKE CERNOVICH 327 COMMENTS
Real life is not like the movies. People are surprisingly hard to kill. Bullets, even from an AR-15 "assault rifle" do not leave one person to kill others.
Currently the media has created a narrative. Omar Mateen acted alone when he shot up the Pulse nightclub in Orlando. This "lone wolf" killed over 50 people and maimed 53. That's a casualty count of over 100.
Even at closed quarters, it takes several rounds to kill a person. People are terrible shots. People who are full of adrenaline and have been running are also terrible shots. Witness interviews also indicate that Mateen shot into the ceiling.
How many rounds of ammo did Mateen have, and would that number be enough to take out over 100 people?
To prove this to be true, here is what we would need:
  • Firearms used (currently rumored to be an AR-15, plus a "handgun")
  • Each magazine used
  • Casualty count (total dead and wounded)
  • Ballistic report from each victim (how many rounds are in each victim)
  • Pictures of entire structure with bullet holes counted
The firearms used and expended magazines would tell us how many bullets were fired into Pulse and the victims. We would also need to match the ballistic reports to the firearm used to ensure that no other firearm (and thus shooter) was responsible for the deaths of the victims.

Why isn't the media even asking for this basic evidence?

We'd need a count of all bullets found in Pulse to apply some math. Why? Let's reason this out.
Assuming the shooter had tactical training, he'd be carrying a load bearing vest with 8 fully loaded 30 round magazines, for a total of 9 magazines (one on his weapon). That's 270 rounds.
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Mateen would also have a fully-loaded pistol with an unknown number of magazines. Let's assume he was using a 9mm handgun, which holds a 15 round magazine, and that he was carrying 4 additional magazines. That's 75 rounds of 9mm ammo.
In total, Mateen would have had 345 rounds of ammunition.
If you think 345 rounds of ammo is a lot, talk to some soldiers. People are hard to kill.
Also watch this video. You can hear 30 rounds go off in a matter of seconds. Yet somehow the shooter was killing people for 3 hours?
Talk to any soldier. Even at close ranges, that is not much ammo. According to the official story, Mateen averaged 3.45 rounds per casualty. That short of sheer killing power would make him the envy of even trained special operations soldiers.
If Mateen had over 345 rounds of ammo, where was he holding it?

Some other questions and objections to consider.

Multiple witness reported seeing multiple shooters.

Eye witness accounts are of course suspect, and we must be aware of hoaxes. Yet the media isn't even asking questions or doing research.

"I heard gunfire coming from two directions." Eyewitness

One eye witness told a reporter:
"When I dropped to the floor and saw people crying and covered in blood. The scent of the ammunition and bullets, I was like This is real life. This is happening right now.'"
He said he never saw the gunman, who was in an adjacent room about 20 feet away. He said he thought the initial burst of gunfire lasted eight or nine minutes.
"He kept on shooting and shooting and shooting, rapid fire,'' Gonzalez said, "and he'd change (clips), put in more ammunition bud-dudda. I could smell the ammo in the air.''
He said he heard another gun from a different direction, so he wonders if there were two gunmen.

Why would the government and media lie?

There is more to the story than the media is reporting.

Remember that "journalists" hate guns.
Simply read my analysis, above.
Why isn't the media asking about the tactical gear Omar S. Mateen was using?
They don't even know what questions to ask, and all anyone is doing is repeating what the government has told them.
As you follow the story, look for this evidence. If we don't see all of this, then there was a second shooter.
  • Firearms used
  • Each magazine used
  • Casualty count
  • Ballistic report from each victim
  • Pictures of entire structure with bullet holes counted
Again, why isn't the media even asking to see this evidence? Why is every story merely repeating the official story?
Think for yourselves.
If you think this is crazy, you should read Gorilla Mindset.
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The continuing AR-15 media agenda from ABC News -- they know a Sig, not an AR-15 was used but refer to the latter as an AR-15 type weapon:

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Family of AR-15 Inventor Eugene Stoner: He Didn't Intend It for Civilians

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Family of AR-15 creator speaks out 1:55


The AR-15 is the most talked about gun in America.
But the AR-15's creator died before the weapon became a popular hit and his family has never spoken out.
Until now.
"Our father, Eugene Stoner, designed the AR-15 and subsequent M-16 as a military weapon to give our soldiers an advantage over the AK-47," the Stoner family told NBC News late Wednesday. "He died long before any mass shootings occurred. But, we do think he would have been horrified and sickened as anyone, if not more by these events."
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Once Banned, These Assault Rifles Are Hugely Popular in the U.S. 0:52


The inventor's surviving children and adult grandchildren spoke exclusively to NBC News by phone and email, commenting for the first time on their family's uneasy legacy. They requested individual anonymity in order to speak freely about such a sensitive topic. They also stopped short of policy prescriptions or legal opinions.
Related: AR-15 Style Rifle Used in Orlando Massacre Has Bloody Pedigree
But their comments add unprecedented context to their father's creation, shedding new light on his intentions and adding firepower to the effort to ban weapons like the AR-15. The comments could also bolster a groundbreaking new lawsuit, which argues that the weapon is a tool of war never intended for civilians.
Eugene Stoner would have agreed, his family said.
The ex-Marine and "avid sportsman, hunter and skeet shooter" never used his invention for sport. He also never kept it around the house for personal defense. In fact, he never even owned one.
[Image: 160615-ar15-file-01_e77e85cde124ed656861...20-320.jpg]FILE: Colonel Robert Sigholtz from Springfield, Virginia holds a new rifle in March 1967 the AR-15 Horst Faas / AP file
And though he made millions from the design, his family said it was all from military sales.
"After many conversations with him, we feel his intent was that he designed it as a military rifle," his family said, explaining that Stoner was "focused on making the most efficient and superior rifle possible for the military."
Related: Filibuster Ends After GOP Agrees to Allow Gun Control Votes: Senator
He designed the original AR-15 in the late 1950s, working on it in his own garage and later as the chief designer for ArmaLite, a then small company in southern California. He made it light and powerful and he fashioned a new bullet for it a .223 caliber round capable of piercing a metal helmet at 500 yards.
The Army loved it and renamed it the M16.
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A look at the AR-15 assault rifle's place in America after attack in Orlando 3:10


But after Stoner's death in 1997, at the age of 74, a semi-automatic version of the AR-15 became a civilian bestseller, too, spawning dozens of copy-cat weapons. The National Rifle Association has taken to calling it "America's rifle."
The bullets that tore through the Pulse nightclub in Orlando were Stoner's .223 rounds, fired from a AR-15 spin off made by Sig Sauer.
[Image: 160615-assault-rifle-nra-414p_90f4073f48...00-480.jpg]A SIG MPX hangs from the ceiling at the SIG Sauer GmbH on the exhibit floor during the National Rifle Association (NRA) annual meeting in Louisville, Kentucky, U.S., on May 20, 2016. Luke Sharrett / Bloomberg via Getty Images, file
In all, an AR-15 style rifle has been used in at least 10 recent mass shootings including at an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut, a movie theater in Aurora, Colorado, and a work party in San Bernardino, California.
"What has happened, good or bad, since his patents have expired is a result of our free market system," Stoner's family said. "Currently, a more interesting question is 'Who now is benefiting from the manufacturing and sales of AR-15s, and for what uses?'"
That's the question for the rest of us.



The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
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