25-07-2016, 02:28 PM
[quote=Drew Phipps][quote]
Really? I don't find failure of a coup attempt in the slightest bit unusual. History is littered with failed coups. If you have advance warning of it, whether it be an hour or six hours, you are handed the opportunity to organize a counter-coup.
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[quote]Five of the six Turkish coup attempts you cite were successful coups.[/quote]. But we all know shit happens. Coup's are dicey affairs. They are also especially dicey against a dangerous egomaniac like Erdogan, because he will have his revenge as we are seeing. I'd hate to be one of the now captured plotters, I really would.
[quote]A government agent who bet against the coup (when his job or even his head was on the line) would be betting against history. A government agent that "knew the coup would fail" is evidence that it was designed to.
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We must agree to disagree. To my way of looking at things, an "uncommitted" government official who has any sense would burrow down deeply and watch which way the wind was blowing before making a stand. It's simple human nature.
Meanwhile:
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/intelli...sCatID=409
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/original...z4FL01cfOk
According to Pepe Escobar, between one third and one half of Turkey's military were implicated:
[quote]No less than 35% of generals and admirals in TSK the Turkish Armed Forces - have been caught in the sprawling net of Erdogan's Purge. If we exclude the Turkish navy, between one-third and HALF of Turkish forces are implicated.So we have 124 generals and admirals in jail and counting. 83 of these are brigadier generals and rear admirals. Roughly half of these were promoted in 2013 - and afterwards. This means these alleged coup plotters were replacing military who had ALREADY been purged (Sledgehammer, Ergenekon).
The bottom line; the TSK as we knew it is no more. Forget about war on Syria. Oh yes, they happen to be a NATO army as well. Cue to absolute freak out in the Beltway.
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Really? I don't find failure of a coup attempt in the slightest bit unusual. History is littered with failed coups. If you have advance warning of it, whether it be an hour or six hours, you are handed the opportunity to organize a counter-coup.
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[quote]Five of the six Turkish coup attempts you cite were successful coups.[/quote]. But we all know shit happens. Coup's are dicey affairs. They are also especially dicey against a dangerous egomaniac like Erdogan, because he will have his revenge as we are seeing. I'd hate to be one of the now captured plotters, I really would.
[quote]A government agent who bet against the coup (when his job or even his head was on the line) would be betting against history. A government agent that "knew the coup would fail" is evidence that it was designed to.
[/QUOTE]
We must agree to disagree. To my way of looking at things, an "uncommitted" government official who has any sense would burrow down deeply and watch which way the wind was blowing before making a stand. It's simple human nature.
Meanwhile:
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/intelli...sCatID=409
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/original...z4FL01cfOk
According to Pepe Escobar, between one third and one half of Turkey's military were implicated:
[quote]No less than 35% of generals and admirals in TSK the Turkish Armed Forces - have been caught in the sprawling net of Erdogan's Purge. If we exclude the Turkish navy, between one-third and HALF of Turkish forces are implicated.So we have 124 generals and admirals in jail and counting. 83 of these are brigadier generals and rear admirals. Roughly half of these were promoted in 2013 - and afterwards. This means these alleged coup plotters were replacing military who had ALREADY been purged (Sledgehammer, Ergenekon).
The bottom line; the TSK as we knew it is no more. Forget about war on Syria. Oh yes, they happen to be a NATO army as well. Cue to absolute freak out in the Beltway.
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The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14