21-11-2016, 09:32 AM
David Guyatt Wrote:Cliff Varnell Wrote:David Guyatt Wrote:Cliff Varnell Wrote:That's what they said about Eleanor Clift, that it didn't involve food.
I was having some fun with you, that's all.
Here's the thing -- I'll stipulate to everything you say about Clinton.
It's beside the point.
If 11 days before the election, Donald Trump -- who I've publicly despised for 25 years -- had been fingered by James Comey as the target of an FBI inquiry into his private server connected to a Russian bank, and then 9 days later said "false alarm", and then Trump went on to win the popular vote by 2% but still lost?
I'd be screaming my head off that our Democracy had been hijacked.
And so would you.
You still think you have a democracy? Blimey Cliff, you really are proud to be short-sighted about Deep Politics. I think you have to try to unglue yourself from such an illusion. It's been decades since that pretence expired.
Even establishment academics know the US is not a democracy. See the Princeton study HERE.
How do you justify the interference of a government agent in an election?
Living in a country that has systemic fascist elements isn't the same as living in an overt fascist state.
Don't do nuance much, do you, David?
Nuance? Don't be daft.
There's been actual (not "systemic elements") fascism in the US for well over a decade. I gave you a list of these just a couple of days ago (which you chose not to respond to, obviously). It was a long list and yet I forgot to include the two super fascist elements (silly me). These were the suspension of habeus corpus and the secretive suspension of the Constitution on 9/11. To go with torture, illegal kidnapping, unpunished random police killings and so on.
I responded to the list you gave.
I pointed out the pushback against those points you cited.
There is pushback against all Fascistic aspects of American society, perhaps you haven't heard.
Now we have an entire Fascist State to push-back against.