03-03-2017, 07:09 PM
(This post was last modified: 03-03-2017, 08:39 PM by Albert Doyle.)
I'm not sure Bob realizes he is making my case for me. In a situation where the very film he posted at the beginning of this thread shows Lovelady and Shelley obviously walking down the Elm St Extension, just as they said, we have Bob imposing an ROKC-like situation, - really an ROKC proxying, where all evidence is ignored except the contrived doubts towards the evidence these false speculations are based on. The Murphy-ites have hijacked the entire JFK research internet by flooding venues with their corrupted logic and repeating it so often that they have brainwashed themselves that it is now real and is the accepted norm. But Bob is showing us right here it is based on nothing and is just the result of saying it so often that it becomes accepted as the norm. I don't think Bob realizes he is showing us that this is achieved by ignoring evidence like the bald spot and plaid matching on the man walking down the Elm St Extension as well as a clear photo of Shelley proving it is him. Analyze this issue and you will see Bob is assisted in this distortion by Larsen and Graves who quickly focus on regressive information like Lovelady appearing shorter than Shelley on the Extension. These are dishonest researchers because any analysis of their approach shows the only reason they are discussing that height difference is to escape acknowledging and answering that other valid evidence that takes precedence over it. It's a trick the Murphy-ites have been getting away with for far too long and has successfully allowed their contrivances to displace the more valid rational evidence. When you match Lovelady's bald spot and plaid to the man walking down the Elm St Extension, as well as Shelley's head to the man next to him, you should have enough evidence to reach the conclusion that it is them - as well as determine that the 3 minute delay claimed by Lovelady is inaccurate. Bob is aware of this which is why he ignores it and responds with a rather self-embarrassing personal attack and accusations of mental illness instead of acknowledging the obvious. This is my whole point here. That the Community is suffering Murphy-itis because were are well past the point where the necessary conclusions on all this should have been reached and set as precedent. The persons who have offered the now-provably inferior case should not be allowed to dominate to the degree they have, nor should the Community be subjected to the unending space-wasting their campaign has become. When the Community prefers provably wrong evidence its got a problem.
There is enough evidence to reasonably show that the two men walking down the Elm St Extension are indeed Lovelady and Shelley. The woman running down the Extension shouting is obviously Gloria Calvery. It's right there on film. Since Molina said Truly entered the building 20-30 seconds after the shots we can reasonably assume that the film that shows him turning towards the entrance after Baker runs past him evidences him about to follow Baker up the steps and into the building as Molina testifies. In fact in that last frame I can see Truly raising his leg to do exactly that. Bill Miller shows that West and Piper witnessed Truly enter the Depository with a cop. Assassination evidence shows the only possible cop that could be is Baker. Gloria Calvery testified that she went to her office after running towards the Depository. Since we can see her running we can assume she followed Baker and Truly right up the steps and into the building. This is what we see in the Couch and Darnell Films. ROKC takes advantage of the lack of film coverage for this juncture and places as much doubt into it as it can. I'm pretty confident if Darnell didn't pan away it would show Baker running right up the steps and Truly following him, with Calvery right behind.
There's no doubt that what we are seeing here with this Murphy cultism is a damaging frenzy directly caused by Murphy and the entry of his theory on the Education Forum 4 years ago. This allowed the totally uncredible ROKC research group to attack the Depository witnessing with an onslaught of specious doubt that it then utilized as fodder for self-promotion. The research world should know better but because of its need to find confirming proof of Oswald's innocence it has looked the other way on what it should have detected sooner was obvious garbage originating from what is generally accepted to be a rogue research group practicing a boorish level of research.
Bob is a coward. He's also dishonest. He's over on the Education Forum saying I was justly banned for posting "an unending stream of nonsense". My postings are visible on the Education Forum. They are quite rational and evidence-based. So much so that Andrej Stancak was literally unable to answer them and the uncredible moderator James Gordon was forced to ban me with no explanation in order to save the people I had out argued from answering. Bob had every opportunity to directly show where my information was nonsense but didn't (couldn't). Bob prefers going directly to banning.
The murder Bob is currently trying to get away with is saying we don't know when Calvery entered the lobby and told Molina the president had been shot. It is obvious from Molina's testimony that he followed Truly in and that Calvery was right behind. It is more than obvious from the context of Ball's inquiry that this happened as Calvery arrived on the steps and went into the building. Bob, of course, is trying to seize the narrative and turn everything on its head and make this obvious explanation the only thing that isn't possible or acceptable. But it's obviously the only explanation. Bob refuses to answer that the only other alternative is a limbo 3-4 minutes for Calvery to return from her office and tell Molina this news in the lobby. The reason Bob refuses to confront his implied scenario is because he knows it is ridiculous - which is why I call him dishonest.
Bill Miller is frustrating to me because he offers weak opposition and therefore enables the Murphy bs. The woman who came in with Calvery is very likely Sarah Stanton who is now proving to be Prayer Man. Why? Because the other ladies going up the steps have their backs turned to Calvery as she shouted to Stanton and Frazier that the president had been shot. This woman is more likely to be Stanton not only because she was closest to the front door but also because she was directly involved in the information Calvery was trying to relate. In any case, any honest evaluator who isn't under the spell of Murphy Syndrome would see that Molina is describing an immediate sequence of events that occur at the 20-30 second mark he has established. Bob is not being honest because all the evidence backs this and it is actually he who has nothing. Bob is not being honest because Calvery pretty much said she went to her office. Bob refuses to answer for the fact it would be very unlikely that the first Molina heard of JFK being shot would be after the 3-4 minute delay in Calvery coming back to the lobby from her office. Think about what would be happening in that lobby in those minutes and ask yourself if it is plausible no one mentioned Kennedy being shot? Bob is dishonest because when Molina says "come in" he is obviously referring to Calvery entering the building as the films show. The known time of the Darnell film can be used to calibrate Truly's entry. Molina's estimate is accurate.
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There is enough evidence to reasonably show that the two men walking down the Elm St Extension are indeed Lovelady and Shelley. The woman running down the Extension shouting is obviously Gloria Calvery. It's right there on film. Since Molina said Truly entered the building 20-30 seconds after the shots we can reasonably assume that the film that shows him turning towards the entrance after Baker runs past him evidences him about to follow Baker up the steps and into the building as Molina testifies. In fact in that last frame I can see Truly raising his leg to do exactly that. Bill Miller shows that West and Piper witnessed Truly enter the Depository with a cop. Assassination evidence shows the only possible cop that could be is Baker. Gloria Calvery testified that she went to her office after running towards the Depository. Since we can see her running we can assume she followed Baker and Truly right up the steps and into the building. This is what we see in the Couch and Darnell Films. ROKC takes advantage of the lack of film coverage for this juncture and places as much doubt into it as it can. I'm pretty confident if Darnell didn't pan away it would show Baker running right up the steps and Truly following him, with Calvery right behind.
There's no doubt that what we are seeing here with this Murphy cultism is a damaging frenzy directly caused by Murphy and the entry of his theory on the Education Forum 4 years ago. This allowed the totally uncredible ROKC research group to attack the Depository witnessing with an onslaught of specious doubt that it then utilized as fodder for self-promotion. The research world should know better but because of its need to find confirming proof of Oswald's innocence it has looked the other way on what it should have detected sooner was obvious garbage originating from what is generally accepted to be a rogue research group practicing a boorish level of research.
Bob is a coward. He's also dishonest. He's over on the Education Forum saying I was justly banned for posting "an unending stream of nonsense". My postings are visible on the Education Forum. They are quite rational and evidence-based. So much so that Andrej Stancak was literally unable to answer them and the uncredible moderator James Gordon was forced to ban me with no explanation in order to save the people I had out argued from answering. Bob had every opportunity to directly show where my information was nonsense but didn't (couldn't). Bob prefers going directly to banning.
The murder Bob is currently trying to get away with is saying we don't know when Calvery entered the lobby and told Molina the president had been shot. It is obvious from Molina's testimony that he followed Truly in and that Calvery was right behind. It is more than obvious from the context of Ball's inquiry that this happened as Calvery arrived on the steps and went into the building. Bob, of course, is trying to seize the narrative and turn everything on its head and make this obvious explanation the only thing that isn't possible or acceptable. But it's obviously the only explanation. Bob refuses to answer that the only other alternative is a limbo 3-4 minutes for Calvery to return from her office and tell Molina this news in the lobby. The reason Bob refuses to confront his implied scenario is because he knows it is ridiculous - which is why I call him dishonest.
Bill Miller is frustrating to me because he offers weak opposition and therefore enables the Murphy bs. The woman who came in with Calvery is very likely Sarah Stanton who is now proving to be Prayer Man. Why? Because the other ladies going up the steps have their backs turned to Calvery as she shouted to Stanton and Frazier that the president had been shot. This woman is more likely to be Stanton not only because she was closest to the front door but also because she was directly involved in the information Calvery was trying to relate. In any case, any honest evaluator who isn't under the spell of Murphy Syndrome would see that Molina is describing an immediate sequence of events that occur at the 20-30 second mark he has established. Bob is not being honest because all the evidence backs this and it is actually he who has nothing. Bob is not being honest because Calvery pretty much said she went to her office. Bob refuses to answer for the fact it would be very unlikely that the first Molina heard of JFK being shot would be after the 3-4 minute delay in Calvery coming back to the lobby from her office. Think about what would be happening in that lobby in those minutes and ask yourself if it is plausible no one mentioned Kennedy being shot? Bob is dishonest because when Molina says "come in" he is obviously referring to Calvery entering the building as the films show. The known time of the Darnell film can be used to calibrate Truly's entry. Molina's estimate is accurate.
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