30-10-2017, 07:15 AM
We'll probably have to agree to disagree on much of what you wrote, as I disagree with a lot of it.
They never wanted him in there, they've been trying, continually, to get rid of him since November last year, and yet he's still President. If they 'could get rid of him any time they choose', he would not still be in office a year after the election.
Trump's 'bargaining' has occasionally manifested itself in the form of various bombings and military incursions, but (see articles at The Saker for a lot on this) there have been an equal number of incidents where he's applied the brakes to their proposals. Not a perfect record, but in some cases, he's clearly trying. I have no idea why you think he'd contemplate bribing members of the agencies with money and power. I also think it's a dumb idea, and I suspect Trump knows this even more than we do. I don't think that bribery is at the top of his strategies in dealing with the agencies. He's acquiesced to some of their requests, and he's rebuffed others. Thus, there's an ongoing friction - something they're not really used to - which hasn't yet dissipated. Numerous other political candidates on both sides of the aisle would cause the agencies less pain, so again, if they could get rid of Trump as easily as you suggest, he wouldn't be in office at the moment and we wouldn't be talking about him. Obviously, they are still trying to win out over him, but it doesn't seem to have been totally accomplished at the time I type this.
I'm not going to forget about the 'media', as the media includes writers like the guy who wrote a piece on Antonio Veciana for the mainstream UK newspaper THE INDEPENDENT last week, mentioned Talbot's THE DEVIL'S CHESSBOARD, and put together a credible summary that could have appeared over at a research site like JFK Facts or Who What Why. It also includes the various regional US TV outlets that gave sincere ten or fifteen minute interviews with Richard Gage and didn't try to bring in a debunker on the same day to refute video of WTC7 dropping like a sack of rocks. I know that the big networks and top shows are worse than useless, but I'm not referring to them, and by lumping them into the same bucket as the slim number of credible writers you're missing the decent handful that do pay attention and who do try and write good stuff.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/long_r...57481.html
Join Twitter and start posting constructive, informative comments about what we're fighting for and what is still missing. I posted a dozen tweets in a half hour covering stuff from Morales to Harvey to David Atlee Phillips, with links and pictures and a brief summary, and received several retweets, a bunch of likes and appreciative comments from folks who evidently hadn't seen the information before, all because I added the hashtag #JFKFiles to the end of the post and that phrase was riding high in the search engines on Twitter. Six months of this from a handful of people (including yourself, and you don't have to put your real name on Twitter) would do more good than telling us all here how it's hopeless and the CIA maintains total control and the media doesn't give a shit and the President is powerless. We managed to get an ARRB signed into law before the internet was really around for anyone. Now you and I and other researchers can reach the entire world on our phone and you're basically suggesting 'What's the point?'. There are probably more productive methods of pushing for those documents to come out.
This really annoys me Peter. There are plenty of people online who care strongly about the health of their children, the quality of the environment, about peace movements, about equality, about a dozen other issues that we could name at the drop of a hat. They are just as receptive to hearing about JFK and the events of that day, as we were when we first heard of it. Plenty of them care once they've been informed. More of them will care if you make the effort to tell them rather than sitting around bemoaning how we should all give up. The guy who wrote that Independent article above is a young looking GP working in London. If everyone had taken your attitude above a dozen years ago he probably never would have heard about the case and wouldn't be talking about it now. Stop acting as if things are a lost cause. If they were a lost cause the agencies wouldn't be spending millions of dollars and thousands of hours every year telling the world that up was down and black was white. They have to do this as the truth is easily accessible and staring everyone in the face that bothers to look. If you're feeling disillusioned take a break for a few days and Google some blogs by young writers who are well intentioned and looking for further info. We can probably accomplish a bunch of things in the next six months if we apply ourselves in getting the word out. People are listening for once, so if not now, when?
Quote:Trump knows the NSA, CIA, FBI and their buddies could put him on a very fast track to Impeachment or removal via 25th Amendment anytime they choose.
They never wanted him in there, they've been trying, continually, to get rid of him since November last year, and yet he's still President. If they 'could get rid of him any time they choose', he would not still be in office a year after the election.
Quote:he has nothing to bargain with other than to try to bribe them with money and power [which they already have].
Trump's 'bargaining' has occasionally manifested itself in the form of various bombings and military incursions, but (see articles at The Saker for a lot on this) there have been an equal number of incidents where he's applied the brakes to their proposals. Not a perfect record, but in some cases, he's clearly trying. I have no idea why you think he'd contemplate bribing members of the agencies with money and power. I also think it's a dumb idea, and I suspect Trump knows this even more than we do. I don't think that bribery is at the top of his strategies in dealing with the agencies. He's acquiesced to some of their requests, and he's rebuffed others. Thus, there's an ongoing friction - something they're not really used to - which hasn't yet dissipated. Numerous other political candidates on both sides of the aisle would cause the agencies less pain, so again, if they could get rid of Trump as easily as you suggest, he wouldn't be in office at the moment and we wouldn't be talking about him. Obviously, they are still trying to win out over him, but it doesn't seem to have been totally accomplished at the time I type this.
Quote:Forget about the 'media', they are fools and controlled - both.
I'm not going to forget about the 'media', as the media includes writers like the guy who wrote a piece on Antonio Veciana for the mainstream UK newspaper THE INDEPENDENT last week, mentioned Talbot's THE DEVIL'S CHESSBOARD, and put together a credible summary that could have appeared over at a research site like JFK Facts or Who What Why. It also includes the various regional US TV outlets that gave sincere ten or fifteen minute interviews with Richard Gage and didn't try to bring in a debunker on the same day to refute video of WTC7 dropping like a sack of rocks. I know that the big networks and top shows are worse than useless, but I'm not referring to them, and by lumping them into the same bucket as the slim number of credible writers you're missing the decent handful that do pay attention and who do try and write good stuff.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/long_r...57481.html
Quote:I do not think we'll see the 30,000 documents unless there is a legal battle for them, sadly.
Join Twitter and start posting constructive, informative comments about what we're fighting for and what is still missing. I posted a dozen tweets in a half hour covering stuff from Morales to Harvey to David Atlee Phillips, with links and pictures and a brief summary, and received several retweets, a bunch of likes and appreciative comments from folks who evidently hadn't seen the information before, all because I added the hashtag #JFKFiles to the end of the post and that phrase was riding high in the search engines on Twitter. Six months of this from a handful of people (including yourself, and you don't have to put your real name on Twitter) would do more good than telling us all here how it's hopeless and the CIA maintains total control and the media doesn't give a shit and the President is powerless. We managed to get an ARRB signed into law before the internet was really around for anyone. Now you and I and other researchers can reach the entire world on our phone and you're basically suggesting 'What's the point?'. There are probably more productive methods of pushing for those documents to come out.
Quote:Only we few who are imbued in this arcane field even care
This really annoys me Peter. There are plenty of people online who care strongly about the health of their children, the quality of the environment, about peace movements, about equality, about a dozen other issues that we could name at the drop of a hat. They are just as receptive to hearing about JFK and the events of that day, as we were when we first heard of it. Plenty of them care once they've been informed. More of them will care if you make the effort to tell them rather than sitting around bemoaning how we should all give up. The guy who wrote that Independent article above is a young looking GP working in London. If everyone had taken your attitude above a dozen years ago he probably never would have heard about the case and wouldn't be talking about it now. Stop acting as if things are a lost cause. If they were a lost cause the agencies wouldn't be spending millions of dollars and thousands of hours every year telling the world that up was down and black was white. They have to do this as the truth is easily accessible and staring everyone in the face that bothers to look. If you're feeling disillusioned take a break for a few days and Google some blogs by young writers who are well intentioned and looking for further info. We can probably accomplish a bunch of things in the next six months if we apply ourselves in getting the word out. People are listening for once, so if not now, when?