30-10-2017, 04:45 PM
I hardly think 'all is lost' or that we can do nothing. However, we have been fooled again...and I think it was naive of many to think that all the documents [especially the 'best ones'] were going to be delivered just because the law said they should be. The law also didn't allow for the public execution of the President in 11/1963 - especially by elements of the 'government'. Yes, the public uproar after the film JFK came out pressured Congress to do something they didn't want to do and wouldn't have done on their own - the JFK Act. It gave the agencies and government 25 years to declassify ALL relevant documents [the list of documents given + those withheld does NOT equal ALL RELEVANT documents [see Kelly's incomplete but good list I posted elsewhere and can repost here]! They pulled a fast one on the Public with the Warren Commission; they pulled a fast one on the HSCA; even on the ARRB [although a little light and work was done by the later two despite the infiltration by CIA and others]; and of course they infiltrated and destroyed Garrison's case, not to mention all the witnesses they murdered or frightened into silence, the testimonies they changed, the propaganda they spun and spin still, the faux articles/books they authored or paid prostitutes to write - and the MSM outlets that would fire anyone and hasn't promoted those who'd dare to speak the truth [even raise the questions about it] on Dallas, L.A., Memphis, OKC, WTC-1, 911 and so many other strange events.
I hope I'm wrong that there are a lot of people interested in this and upset as you and I are that the documents are still being withheld [and that others we know exist are not even on the list!]. I'm all for getting them to force the hand of government to do what should have been done in 1963/68/01 and many other dates. Maybe I'm isolated where I am and what I listen/watch, but I don't sense outrage generally. Again, I hope I'm wrong.
As for who is behind Trumps staying in the WH so long - that is hard to tell. I think some members of the IC and deep state think they can use him as a useful idiot. Others are clearly trying to get him out ASAP.
Anyway, I'm all for trying to get the Public whipped up to protest, petition, act....but I'm more inclined to direct Citizen Action than I am in sending a note to a representative or senator - as I think unless they see huge protests and massive campaigns at their door, home visit meetings and every phone, fax, email, etc. they 'listen' to the lobbyists paying them and not their constituents. There are a few exceptions.
I just saw a lot of naivete among people I know should know better - who thought the right thing would finally be done....when the coup cabal is still in power???!!!! I don't think it will be easy - because I strongly suspect they not only do NOT WANT to release the documents, they [from their position] CAN NOT - as they would be shown to have long had no clothes on and that the entire Potemkin village called the USA polity has long been only smoke screen a la Wizard of Oz [i.e., all lies and deception/misdirection/propaganda]. No one more than I wants to see an end to all of this - forever! I just think it will take a change of the entire structure. If you believe otherwise, please be my guest and fight whatever way you think best - and I will fight whatever way I think best. I can tell you I don't and have not over the years sat on my hands. I have been arrested, had guns pointed at me by federal agents, had everything I owned and all my money taken away (illegally), been threatened with my life, and more I don't care to mention in detail here. That all happened because I was NOT sitting on my hands. We all have our own ways of fighting the system and I see no good in critiquing how others choose to do so - as long as everyone does something.....not the maximum they can in the way they see best.
I hope I'm wrong that there are a lot of people interested in this and upset as you and I are that the documents are still being withheld [and that others we know exist are not even on the list!]. I'm all for getting them to force the hand of government to do what should have been done in 1963/68/01 and many other dates. Maybe I'm isolated where I am and what I listen/watch, but I don't sense outrage generally. Again, I hope I'm wrong.
As for who is behind Trumps staying in the WH so long - that is hard to tell. I think some members of the IC and deep state think they can use him as a useful idiot. Others are clearly trying to get him out ASAP.
Anyway, I'm all for trying to get the Public whipped up to protest, petition, act....but I'm more inclined to direct Citizen Action than I am in sending a note to a representative or senator - as I think unless they see huge protests and massive campaigns at their door, home visit meetings and every phone, fax, email, etc. they 'listen' to the lobbyists paying them and not their constituents. There are a few exceptions.
I just saw a lot of naivete among people I know should know better - who thought the right thing would finally be done....when the coup cabal is still in power???!!!! I don't think it will be easy - because I strongly suspect they not only do NOT WANT to release the documents, they [from their position] CAN NOT - as they would be shown to have long had no clothes on and that the entire Potemkin village called the USA polity has long been only smoke screen a la Wizard of Oz [i.e., all lies and deception/misdirection/propaganda]. No one more than I wants to see an end to all of this - forever! I just think it will take a change of the entire structure. If you believe otherwise, please be my guest and fight whatever way you think best - and I will fight whatever way I think best. I can tell you I don't and have not over the years sat on my hands. I have been arrested, had guns pointed at me by federal agents, had everything I owned and all my money taken away (illegally), been threatened with my life, and more I don't care to mention in detail here. That all happened because I was NOT sitting on my hands. We all have our own ways of fighting the system and I see no good in critiquing how others choose to do so - as long as everyone does something.....not the maximum they can in the way they see best.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass