22-03-2018, 01:02 PM
Peter Lemkin Wrote:While many good points to question the official narrative are posted above, I feel I should comment on one thing that might well not be evidence of the authorities faking a real attack...that being the issue of the unprotected fire and police near men in full chemical-warfare or biohazard suits. I have trained in Toxicology and even had course work on organophosphate nerve agents [used in both pesticides and nerve poisons such as VX, tabin, sarin, and Novichuk, among others]. Most of these nerve agents are liquid or low-melting solids and do not vaporize - i.e. if one did not touch them, there is little hazard in their floating in the air, and in the air to harm your lungs or other parts of one's body. They usually need to be touched by the skin to enter the body - or administered orally. They can be made to be air-borne, but that is rare and brief in time that they would be present before being blown away. While details on Novichuks [they are a class, not a single compound] is scarce, and we do NOT know which one this is - if it is a Novichuk at all. I have heard only one person trained in this field mention that one of the Novichuks would kill anyone in a room or area by both air transport and contact; all others said that contact was necessary. All evidence so far seems to point to that - that touching it was necessary. This seems to be how the policeman affected was. He physically helped the two individuals and in doing so likely touched some of whatever compound was on their body or clothes or on the table, chairs or other environmental items. So, it may well be the men from Porton Down knew this could only be of danger if touched - and thus fire/policemen nearby not in hazmat or chemical warfare garb is not as strange as it seems - assuming they were told to watch and not touch anything. This does not take away from any of the other anomalies pointed out. The proximity to Porton Down is rather 'odd' in itself - as that place is where they make, test, sample, store and do other things with bio and chemical weapons of all sorts. I will be interested to hear what the UN inspectors say it is and where they got their sample from [chain of evidence involved]. They will NOT assign blame, only make a statement as to what the agent is and its physiological properties. Actually, by treaty, the UK was obligated to let the UN do this and not do it themselves and announce it - they were free to do it, but not to announce it and assign blame by treaty. It is generally agreed that most major nations [not some smaller ones] did in fact destroy their large stockpiles of biological and chemical weapons - but it is also generally known that all retained small amounts and anyway could at short notice produce any they had destroyed [hours to a few days]. Most of the new ones are binary agents [two harmless chemicals which when mixed produce a deadly compound - many with NO antidote of any kind]. Lovely World we live in.
Could be a very good point, Pete. My take though is that the pictures were purely intended to feed the media frenzy and make the public scared and create a propaganda effect.
And yet we really don't know that Novichok was used --- or for that matter that any nerve agent was used. The doctor simply says "poisoning", and that makes more sense, as all three victims are still alive.
The fact is that there has been no actual evidence made available by the UK. Thus far it's all allegations and rhetoric that clearly has a propaganda objective. We, the public, are left to ponder the meaning of phrases like "highly likely" that has zero legal credibility, as it is a simply the judgement of of a Prime Minister weighing god only knows what evidence as opposed to a court judge weighing evidence in the public domain.
We also are asked to know what "of a type designed by Russia" means when used to point the finger at Russia? Many observers have noted that a Mercedes is a car of a type developed by Germans, but it doesn't mean that everyone who owns and rives a Mercedes is German. For formulae is really quite silly and as Craig Murray has shown, was cobbled together as a compromise because the senior scientists at Porton Down refused point blank to sign off on the Novichok being Russian (if indeed Novichok was used).
Nor do we know what actually happened to the police DSgt. The story changes. Also, DSgt's are not first responders. Plods do that. So the DSgt didn't sufferer whatever it was racing to the aid of the Skripal's - as the media reported. It was something else. Nor do we know if the policeman was just a detective or a Special Branch officer. If he were the latter it would suggest something far darker was taking place. But we don't know either way as actual information is being kept a minimum. My suspicion is that there has been a D Notice thrown over the whole affair.
On the subject of nerve agents being used kill people, there is evidence showing that Eastern European criminal clans have used that before. In 1996, Forbes carried an article (still available online) titled "Godfather of the Kremlin". It was about Boris Berezovsky. In that article was this para:
"Assassination is a tool of business competition. Scores of business leaders and media personalities have been killed. Ivan Kivelidi, a banker and founder of the Russian Business Roundtable, was murdered last year by poison (an obscure nerve toxin) applied to the rim of his coffee cup. Neither this nor any other of Russia's most famous contract killings has been solved."
I mention this in passing to show it doesn't have to be a state sponsored event if it were a nerve agent attack. And we know that the formulae for Novichok has been in the public domain since the 1990's. Any capable chemist with a modern lab could make any of the Novichoks. They were designed on that basis, in fact, using widely available commercial components. No one can actually blame Russia because Russia has no Novichok to compare to. The last of its chemical stockpile were destroyed in 2017, as publicly confirmed by the OPCW. So, how could the British government reach the conclusion that it would only be Russia? It doesn't make sense. Nor does it make the slightest bit of sense that Russia would order such a hit, especially weeks before the presidential election and just months before the World Cup. The idea is preposterous.
Moreover, in London the Russian exile community is a tight clan, most wealthy, some extremely so; they all tend to congregate in the same restaurants and clubs and there are many rivalries, not just from the opposing mafia's, but politically too, with numerous powerful exiles working to overthrow Putin. And let's be certain on the Skripal affair, Putin has, yet again, been personally targeted. Especially for our resident Foreign Secretary in Fool, Boris Johnson.
Toxic Dagger
Who knew that just a few weeks before the Skripal attack, thousands of soldiers and CBW specialist participated in a CBW exercise called Toxic Dagger that was to respond to Jihadists who had acquired a nerve toxin (Sarin) with plans to use this in a public place. The exercise saw the soldiers mount attacks on the Jihadi stronghold, amongst other aspects.
That exercise took place on.... ta da! Salisbury Plain, again just down the road from Salisbury town and Porton Down itself. In fact, specialists from PD took part in that exercise.
Over the last almost three weeks I've assembled a very large file on this affair and spent a great deal of time conducting further deep research. But I don't have time to condense all of that in one hit, so am responding piecemeal to this thread, adding bits and pieces as and when I can. Hence this rather long response.
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14