17-12-2018, 10:26 PM
(This post was last modified: 17-12-2018, 11:22 PM by Tom Scully.)
Jim DiEugenio Wrote:But I am at a loss to explain how you fell for Carpenter. This is a guy who writes for Max Holland. I stopped reading his book when I saw how he covered up the military record of Thrasher who Shaw worked for.
https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/776
And that is not all. Carpenter ignores the cover up within the CIA about Shaw's contract agent status. ....
I no longer see continuity in the Garrison Investigation debate.For example, Jim, what would you say to Nicholas B Lemann in a debate, considering his family ties?
If Garrison had been transparent with Joan Mellen or his autobigraphy editor Zachary Sklar, either would have been empowered
to call out Nicholas B Lemann for what he is....a useful idiot or an agenda driven professional disiformationalist with no relationship to ethical journalism. Lemann obviously had no fear of Garrison disclosure.:
Quote:http://www.thecrimson.com/article/1974/2/6/the-rise-and-fall-of-big/
The Rise and Fall of Big Jim G.
[B]Politics
By Nicholas Lemann, [B]February 6, 1974 ....
[/B][/B]
Quote:Tom S. Posted:...I got "there" after finding the wedding announcement in the image below and, wanting to learn more about the best man, the younger Raworth, doing a google search combining the terms Raworth, Ziegler, and findagrave, and finding this.: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi...d=69124634
And:
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Expanding on my last post, first with author Joan Mellen's take on the Lemann and Baldwin influence on the Garrison Investigation. I disagree that it is settled
that David Baldwin was the source William R Martin described having lunch with, resulting in Martin's memeo of 24 May, 1967, to NODA Jim Garrison.:
![[Image: StephenLemannBaldwinMellen.jpg]](http://jfkforum.com/images/StephenLemannBaldwinMellen.jpg)
![[Image: LemannWDSUFCC022067.jpg]](https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-zLIoQLayKsA/VrZ3SCcgfuI/AAAAAAAACts/zP4r1-Uw53o/s512-Ic42/LemannWDSUFCC022067.jpg)
Quote:http://files.usgwarchives.net/la/orleans...1/l-11.txt
003004 Lemann Mildred Crumb Lyons Lemann, A Homemaker, Died Friday At Her Home In New Orleans. She
Was 94. Mrs. Lemann Was A Lifelong Resident Of New Orleans. … In 1929, She Worked At Metairie Park
Country Day School, Where She Coordinated The School's Non-Academic Activities. Survivors Include A Daughter,
Mildred Lyons Baldwin;
A Sister, Ethel Crumb Brett; Two Stepsons, Thomas B. Lemann, And Stephen B. Lemann; …. Times Picayune 01-14-1990
Stephen B Lemann's brother is Thomas Lemann, father of Nicholas B. Lemann. The stepmother of Stephen and Thomas Lemann was Mildred Crumb Lyons Lemann.
Her daughter, also named Mildred Lyons, was stepsister of Stephen and Thomas Lemann after her mother married their father Monte Lemann in 1947.
In 1945, Mildred Lyons married David Baldwin. (See first article image inthis post...)
Quote:https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Unreda...cript.html
Episode_1_-_Transcript.html
Unredacted Episode 1: Transcript of Interview with Joan MellenJoan Mellen is the author of A Farewell to Justice: Jim Garrison, JFK's Assassination, and the Case That Should Have Changed History. This interview was conducted on 22 Feb 2006.
.......JOAN: when Baldwin was present, he was a CIA asset, his brother worked for the International Trade Mart and Clay Shaw, David Baldwin, and these, these are CIA people. Malcolm O'Hara is sitting there he doesn't know what hit him and eventually Strate did not cooperate, and he went up there, and he attacked Sheridan of course, Sheridan had immunity nothing anyone could say about Sheridan whether in court, affidavits signed against Sheridan, Sheridan had immunity as a National Security Agency asset, cleared for FBI work, cleared for CIA work, working for the Department of Justice -…....
Considering until 2015 no one ever publicly revealed that David Baldwin was a first cousin of Garrison's wife, Liz Ziegler, or that Anti-Garrison attack dog Nicholas Lemann's
step-aunt Mildred Lyons Baldwin was the wife of David Baldwin, readers should think twice about Stephen Roy's (aka Blackburst's) attempt to trivialize relationships deliberately
concealed by both Garrison and Shaw, and by lack of disclosure of Nicholas B Lemann.
![[Image: StephenRoyCarpenter021316a.jpg]](http://jfkforum.com/images/StephenRoyCarpenter021316a.jpg)
Quote:http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2014...ry_sh.html
on July 18, 2014 at 4:30 PM, updated July 21, 2014
…the New Orleans' firm Monroe & Lemann. Partner Stephen B. Lemann has been alleged by JFK theorists to have been chief over all New Orleans-based CIA operatives.
Quote:https://charlierose.com/videos/28642
Monday 12/30/1991Journalist Nicholas Lemann, movie critic David Denby, and co-screenwriter Zachary Sklar debate Oliver Stone's movie "JFK"
as well as the facts surrounding the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.
Quote:Full transcriptQuote:03:14Nicholas Lemann: .....in this case, what the movie is really about, the center storyof the movie, the star who's on this screen the whole time isKevin Costner playing Jim Garrison.I am a non-fan of Jim Garrison.Jim Garrison did the worst thing a public official can do, whichis use the power of the state to take a man who was innocent andwho I think he knew was innocent and put him ontrial, charge himwith a crime to make a larger point about society.That's exactly what Joe McCarthy did andwitch hunters throughouthistory did.
04:30Charlie Rose: And if you were doing that, how can you tell the truth? Here's a man who's a reporter from--04:37Zachary Sklar: I don't agree with what he just said.04:39Charlie Rose:That Jim Garrison put Clay Shaw on, knowing thathe did not have the facts to convict him?
Garrison's name and the name Mrs Harry Raworth, the mother of David and Edward Baldwin, appear in the 1968 obit of Harold Ziegler, father-in-law of Jim Garrison.:
![[Image: HaroldZieglerObit072768.jpg]](https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Kre582h1clA/Vrfm1sEbqMI/AAAAAAAACwI/Ntga8jujLlU/s512-Ic42/HaroldZieglerObit072768.jpg)
Peter Janney's uncle was Frank Pace, chairman of General Dynamics who enlisted law partners Roswell Gilpatric and Luce's brother-in-law, Maurice "Tex" Moore, in a trade of 16 percent of Gen. Dyn. stock in exchange for Henry Crown and his Material Service Corp. of Chicago, headed by Byfield's Sherman Hotel group's Pat Hoy. The Crown family and partner Conrad Hilton next benefitted from TFX, at the time, the most costly military contract award in the history of the world. Obama was sponsored by the Crowns and Pritzkers. So was Albert Jenner Peter Janney has preferred to write of an imaginary CIA assassination of his surrogate mother, Mary Meyer, but not a word about his Uncle Frank.


![[Image: DavidBaldwinWeddingDec1945.jpg]](https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Re1QrWjF-Zs/Vrdin4bPz5I/AAAAAAAACuM/bDCs6dctaoE/s512-Ic42/DavidBaldwinWeddingDec1945.jpg)