20-08-2023, 07:14 PM
Brian, the Couch film that I linked is a fairly clear copy. The pergola area is easy to recognize. At :07 seconds, to the right of the R L Thornton sign- a little more than half a sign-width- in front of a light grey pergola column, the dark figure of Charles Hester distinctly crouches down in reaction to the shots. Nobody else is even near Hester at the front of the pergola.
The youtube source estimate that Couch started filming "25 seconds after the last shot" is typical junk JFK information. Mal Couch was in Camera Car 3, "15 or 20 feet" from the Main/Houston turn (headed towards the Depository), when he heard the 1st shot. (VI p. 156). He was about 50 feet from the Houston/Elm hairpin turn when the 3rd shot rang out and started filming as he rounded that turn. This was about 10 seconds after Z-313.
Because Hester's reaction links the Wiegman and Couch films, we get a fairly accurate timing estimate for when Baker reached the Depository steps- at approximately Z-313 plus 23.5 seconds.
According to the information Barry Ernest uncovered, Adams & Styles left their 4th-floor window at approximately Z-313 plus 8 seconds, once they reacted to seeing Clint Hill jump on the limousine and saw it speed toward the Triple Underpass.
They were in 3-inch high heels. They had to run around a group of 3 banquet-sized tables to get to the door to the warehouse (Ernest, p. 343). Adams estimated it was "50 to 70 feet" from their viewing spot to the rear office door.
Since the warehouse was loaded with books, they couldn't make a beeline, but had to hug the perimeter to get to the staircase.
Each half-flight had 8 steps, meaning they had to descend 48 steps to get to the 1st floor, plus 3 midpoint platforms, plus 2 12-foot landings. That's a lot of ground to cover in 3-inch high heels, and they reached the 1st floor- by my estimation- at Z-313 plus 75 seconds.
For them to escape the 1st floor unnoticed by Truly & Baker, Adams & Styles would have had to arrive at the 1st floor by Z-313 plus 35-40 seconds, max- which was when Truly & Baker reached the will-call counter. It was not humanly possible for the office girls to arrive in the 1st floor that fast.
Garner's information doesn't affect the Adams/Styles timeline. All she did was notice they were gone, follow after them, and hear them on the noisy wooden stairs.
Nor does Calvery's sprint affect Baker's timeline, which is supported by film evidence.
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Brian, you are being obstinate, climbing way out on the flimsiest of tree limbs- with your Adams/Styles reconstruction, mapped onto your Lee/Utility Closet reconstruction- in order to support your belief that Wesley Frazier saw Harvey Oswald leave by the rear door. Which time and again throughout this thread, I have shown you is easily rebutted by the available evidence.
Frazier's allegation leads nowhere, and is not capable of being corroborated. I have maintained for several years that he made this statement so as to get in the good graces of conspiracy researchers, to deflect attention from his participation in the plot.
My friend, this can be a valuable lesson for you. Obstinacy is just what your PrayerMan adversaries do- they are madly in love with their idea and can't process arguments that show how woeful it is. They won't listen to reason.
In order to arrive at a sustainable answer, you yourself must attempt to destroy the idea you are in love with. If it can survive your own onslaught, it should be able to survive an onslaught by others, and it is probably viable.
The youtube source estimate that Couch started filming "25 seconds after the last shot" is typical junk JFK information. Mal Couch was in Camera Car 3, "15 or 20 feet" from the Main/Houston turn (headed towards the Depository), when he heard the 1st shot. (VI p. 156). He was about 50 feet from the Houston/Elm hairpin turn when the 3rd shot rang out and started filming as he rounded that turn. This was about 10 seconds after Z-313.
Because Hester's reaction links the Wiegman and Couch films, we get a fairly accurate timing estimate for when Baker reached the Depository steps- at approximately Z-313 plus 23.5 seconds.
According to the information Barry Ernest uncovered, Adams & Styles left their 4th-floor window at approximately Z-313 plus 8 seconds, once they reacted to seeing Clint Hill jump on the limousine and saw it speed toward the Triple Underpass.
They were in 3-inch high heels. They had to run around a group of 3 banquet-sized tables to get to the door to the warehouse (Ernest, p. 343). Adams estimated it was "50 to 70 feet" from their viewing spot to the rear office door.
Since the warehouse was loaded with books, they couldn't make a beeline, but had to hug the perimeter to get to the staircase.
Each half-flight had 8 steps, meaning they had to descend 48 steps to get to the 1st floor, plus 3 midpoint platforms, plus 2 12-foot landings. That's a lot of ground to cover in 3-inch high heels, and they reached the 1st floor- by my estimation- at Z-313 plus 75 seconds.
For them to escape the 1st floor unnoticed by Truly & Baker, Adams & Styles would have had to arrive at the 1st floor by Z-313 plus 35-40 seconds, max- which was when Truly & Baker reached the will-call counter. It was not humanly possible for the office girls to arrive in the 1st floor that fast.
Garner's information doesn't affect the Adams/Styles timeline. All she did was notice they were gone, follow after them, and hear them on the noisy wooden stairs.
Nor does Calvery's sprint affect Baker's timeline, which is supported by film evidence.
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Brian, you are being obstinate, climbing way out on the flimsiest of tree limbs- with your Adams/Styles reconstruction, mapped onto your Lee/Utility Closet reconstruction- in order to support your belief that Wesley Frazier saw Harvey Oswald leave by the rear door. Which time and again throughout this thread, I have shown you is easily rebutted by the available evidence.
Frazier's allegation leads nowhere, and is not capable of being corroborated. I have maintained for several years that he made this statement so as to get in the good graces of conspiracy researchers, to deflect attention from his participation in the plot.
My friend, this can be a valuable lesson for you. Obstinacy is just what your PrayerMan adversaries do- they are madly in love with their idea and can't process arguments that show how woeful it is. They won't listen to reason.
In order to arrive at a sustainable answer, you yourself must attempt to destroy the idea you are in love with. If it can survive your own onslaught, it should be able to survive an onslaught by others, and it is probably viable.