28-10-2009, 09:27 PM
(This post was last modified: 28-10-2009, 09:39 PM by Helen Reyes.)
David Healy Wrote:Helen Reyes Wrote:...
There seems to be a UKUS angle to BAe's involvement at Thule and in Oakland at Lawrence Livermore and elsewhere.
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little correction...
Lawrence Livermore is located in Livermore, California, about 40 miles southeast of Oakland (not in Oakland or Bezerkley).
Yes, but still in Alameda County from what I can tell, and def part of the current joint op with foreign troops.
Saying BAe is part of UKUS sounds silly, but given the history of spying the US did on Britain and the aviation technology they lifted for US companies, I can't see any other way around it being part and parcel of the UKUS special relationship. I guess that's pretty obvious to everyone already.
Lawrence Berkeley Labs has that cool Cyclotron or Bevatron or whatever they call it.
Vril societies popped up in Britain too, and their balls were attended by high nobility in silly outfits. Vril and electricity and auras and radiation get conflated as some kind of mystic white mercury-type essence in the early 20th century, H. G Well's revelation of radium and all the rest. There is still a survival of this Vril mania in Britain, a soup brand I believe called Bovril. The etymology of Vril proper is probably a Tuetonic/Indo-European etymology current in the 19th century concerning virile, virus, virtus, virtue etc. These are traced back to an old word for man, vyras in Lithuanian=were in werewolf. It's probably not even an Indo-European word, it stretches back into the Nostratic superfamily, you see it all across Asia as gir, ghir, yir etc. I believe it still occurs in a number of ethnonyms of nations captive in the Russian and Chinese orbits, Uighur, Yukagir ... but that's spur-of-the-moment speculation.

