29-10-2009, 10:55 PM
(This post was last modified: 29-10-2009, 10:58 PM by Jan Klimkowski.)
Helen Reyes Wrote:Jan Klimkowski Wrote:Bejeezus, Helen, it seems that you're correct.
So it's like that marmite stuff? I despised that the one time I tried it.
Originally, Bovril was beef extract and Marmite yeast extract. Both are thick brown/black goos, which can be diluted into drinks with hot water or spread on toast.
"It's like marmite, you either love it or hate it" is a very common British phrase which every Brit understands.
But the origins of the word Bovril in Bulwer-Lytton's Vril fantasies is David Lynch weird. Scratch the mundane surface of a familiar object and fall straight through a trapdoor....
Helen Reyes Wrote:Jan, over-the-horizon radar and mind control: am I on to anything with Thule and Mansfield? It feels rather absurd and silly.
It is interesting. But Jayne Mansfield is a perfectly understandable choice for the military to send to a farflung base to "encourage" our boys to work even harder. A lot more risque than Vera Lynn, admittedly. More Ann Margret perhaps. But zero chance of her becoming Hanoi Jane....
One of the central challenges of the mind control field is what could perhaps be called The Monarch Problem, with a blond bombshell sex slave, controlled like a marionette, at its heart.
My own view is that much of Monarch is deliberate disinformation. It is the equivalent of the flying saucer psyop: a cover story designed to tap into the popular mind, like a National Enquirer meme, with its suggestions of male svengaliesque control of glamorous women who become putty in the hands of their controller.
The endless list of famous personages named in the Monarch plot ensures that the core subject - MK-ULTRA and its successor programmes - cannot be touched by a serious investigative journalist, because it is near impossible that evidence could be gathered to establish the guilt or innocence of most, let alone all, of them. In fact, the sheer number of famous names means that the logical response is, um, that's just implausible.
Against that, I believe it is highly likely that beautiful women were the victims of MK-ULTRA technology. The forensic detail of how the "Candy Jones" story became public knowledge suggests that Jessica Arline Wilcox may well have been a Manchurian Candidate.
I interviewed many of the women who worked with a courageous lawyer, Valerie Wolf. Their descriptions of the psyche of known MK-ULTRA "doctors", such as Cameron, Heath, Orne and West suggests that the control of the other may have been both a national security objective and a personal obsession for these egomaniacs.
With Jayne Mansfield, I don't know enough about her background to make any kind of judgement. Her trip to Thule may have been no more than an early incarnation of the "Playboy bunnies" scene in the original Apocalypse Now.
Of course, there's a darker version in Apocalypse Now Redux....
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War."
Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon
"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War."
Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon
"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war