01-12-2009, 12:37 PM
Helen Reyes Wrote:Linguistically they trace back to present day north west India/Pakistan possibly from the Jat people as the two groups share a hereditary disease related to glaucoma.David Guyatt Wrote:I have been interested in the Black Madonnas of Southern France for some time and the Egyptian connection you speak of Helen, may well connect to the centre of Gypsy faith at the fortified church of Notre Dame de la Mer in the Carmargue.
It's a very plain, masonry church I saw on some Templar special on Discovery or National Geographic once. It should be in the west of Luangedoc somewhere. The bay you mention is where the Cathars say Jesus and Mary reached France by boat.
The last word in Gypsy research I heard put them as natives of Punjab or somewhere in modern India (Rajastan?), but I have to wonder:
LOC Country Studies Afghanistan - Chapter 2 The Society and Environment - Ethnic Groups - Other Groups - Jat
Quote:Afghanistan
Jat
There are other small marginal communities of occupational specialists based in eastern Afghanistan in provinces such as Laghman. They are commonly referred to as Jat which is a generic term indiscriminately applied by others with derogatory connotations implying low descent and low occupations. The groups reject the term and refer to themselves by specific names. Of Mediterranean-Indian type physically, speaking Indo-Aryan dialects in addition to Pashto and Dari, they are primarily gypsy-like itinerant petty traders, bangle sellers, fortune-tellers, musicians, jugglers, snake-charmers and performers with animals such as bears and monkeys. Some are specialized craftsmen, working as weavers, potters, sievemakers, knife-makers, and leather-workers. Some hire out as seasonal itinerant farm laborers. They rank lowest on the social scale and are stigmatized by many in the society.
Data as of 1997David Guyatt Wrote:It is indeed most interest that Himmler's personal wizard, Nazi Satanist Karl Maria Wiligut claimed to be the King of the Gypsies and used to attend the annual gatherings linked above and was, apparently, well known at them.
Hmm. Two points: "King of the Gypsies" is a title held by mutiple people simultaneously, it refers to the leader of a single band or group, traditionally. The other is the notion that Gypsies were inhabitants for a time in Agartha, and Fred Crisman's association with them, and early alien contact reports and MIBs describing swarthy Gypsy-type men.
Latcho Drom - the story of Gypsy migration as filmed by a Gypsy told in music and dance:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x47tom_...rt-1_music
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x47uqb_...rt-2_music
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x47v7b_...rt-3_music
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x47vps_...rt-4_music
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x47w7o_...rt-5_music
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x48jw5_...agne_music
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