05-12-2009, 03:18 AM
Helen Reyes Wrote:BP are really big in the solar area http://www.bp.com/genericcountryjump.do?...Id=7038143. All of these companies are just looking to make money - period. Any way they can. There is money in oil. There is money in solar energy distribution and manufacture. There is money in carbon trading. Really big money in fact. It isn't an either/or situation. These guys are playing an altogether different game from the one they expect us to play as good little consumer sheep dutifully buying our compact light globes and water saving shower heads.Linda Minor Wrote:In my opinion the climate debate is one being waged by bankers--one side promoting coal, fossil fuels and other methods of infrastructure which have been linked to a distribution of utilities network that they financed over a period of decades beginning in the 1930's. The other side attempting to create a new infrastructure that could finance "green" industrial distribution--such as solar and wind power. In order to build such a system, there must be adequate demand and a means of paying for the research necessary to build the international distribution network. That takes money. In many ways, scientists are just sophists, who argue for the side which signs their paychecks.
That would seem to be the logical way of looking at it, as old guard "dirty" fuel companies protecting the status quo against innovators with "green" fuel, except that it doesn't seem to be true. I made the same assumption and this is the major talking point of AGW proponents, that critics are being financed by Big Oil. But Shell and BP at least are for international measures against AGW, i.e. carbon trading credit markets, derivatives, etc.
The one thing there is no money in (for Them) is self sufficiency. This was well understood by the British colonialists as they imposed a hut tax on the African natives who, since they produced their own textiles, food and shelter, saw no need to leave their families and communities to go mining for Cecil Rhodes or De Beeres or build railroads.
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"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.
“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.