Roots of Rendition (Albarelli & Kaye)

[Jan Klimkowski]

From my readings,it seems that the CIA tried to manipulate and control the counter culture of the sixties with the widespread dissemination of drugs like LSD in order to destroy it.It really didn't work.Many people found LSD to be a life altering experience,and for the better.Many even having intense (real) spiritual awakenings.This matter of the spirituallity of some substances is probably a subject for another thread.

Keith - this is a core matter.

My own view, which is speculative, is rooted in the following observations:

Firstly, covert science is often inherently poor quality or junk science, precisely because of the lack of open peer review, controlled clinical trials and ethical oversight. In addition, many deep black scientists are arrogant, driven and resistant to criticism.

Secondly, "MK-ULTRA" is in reality a large number of competing programmes, run by competing organisations - alphabet letter intelligence agencies, military intelligence, naval intelligence, air force intelligence, agencies that don't officially exist, sub-contracts to plausibly deniable fronts such as cults, leaking of "technologies" to foreign militaries or groups. Etc.

Thirdly, this lack of information sharing coupled with the arrogant and obsessive-compulsive nature of those running the programmes led and leads to ghastly excrudescences. There may also be a malevolent metaphysical dimension to this, rooted perhaps in aspects of the human psyche and its responses to overwhelming trauma and horror.

So, to ask a question: if LSD can lead to spiritual enlightenment, why would intelligence agencies facilitate the mass distribution of acid to an entire generation in the sixties?

Peter is correct that some of it was probably contaminated for nefarious purposes.

It's also the case that many black operations have been funded primarily by the profits of the illegal narcotics trade.

However, when considered in the context of "MK-ULTRA", I believe there is a broader, more all-encompassing reason.

The deep black doctors were not interested in spiritual enlightenment. They were interested in how LSD could be used to channel and control behaviour.

So, there are previously classified comments from Louis Jolyon West that I have posted elsewhere on DPF which reveal his deep and early obsession with dissociation. Indeed, he states that he can create every textbook type of dissociation in the laboratory. By which he means that he'd managed to create it in his MK-ULTRA human guinea pigs.

Was West interested in the spiritual enlightenment of his test subjects? Hell no. He wanted to implant false memories, see if he could get them to do things their conscious self would never do - such as shoot another person - etc.

I'm sure everyone here has seen the grainy footage of soldiers trying to complete obstacle courses after being dosed with LSD or BZ. That also has nothing to do with spiritual enlightenment.

In fact, there is a lot of circumstantial evidence that BZ was used as a battlefield munition in Vietnam, later in Iraq, and during the Balkan Wars.

The military rationale for using BZ has always been clear: it is an INCAPACITANT.

In other words, it fucks the enemy up without necessarily killing them.

Which seems to me to be a perfect rationale for intelligence agency use of LSD on the sixties counterculture: fucking the enemy up without killing them.