22-02-2010, 12:28 AM
(This post was last modified: 22-02-2010, 02:13 AM by Austin Kelley.)
Jan Klimkowski Wrote:Austin Kelley Wrote:The last thread cited refers to three different MKULTRA sub-projects related to Hungarians. This made me think of something I stumbled upon regarding Hungarian anti-communist emigres employed at the Defense Language Institute in Monterey, California. One in particular, a prominent social psychologist, was helping the Boy Scouts of America to form pilot youth leadership groups back in the 50's and 60's, in secret partnership with the U.S. Army. It seems that they may have been studying group dynamics amongst the youth- especially leadership issues, and also the use of old European myths ("the White Stag") as ideals to motivate their test subjects.
All of the post-WW2 eastern European refugee groups were of great interest to security services in the Cold War fight against the "Red Menace".
Some of those eastern Europeans were honourable men and women, who believed they were fighting for their "country".
However, thanks to Paperclip and other programmes, a substantial number of Nazis and fascists were brought to the West and south America - particularly Ukrainians, Croatians and Latvians - and recruited into covert and front programmes...
Yes- there were and are very honorable people who somehow aligned with "the West" because they opposed the domination of their homelands by authoritarian powers. Nothing wrong with that.
I'm not sure where the founders of the White Stag program, which I referred to earlier, fit along that continuum. People like Paul Sujan, Béla Bánáthy, and Joseph Szentkiralyi may have simply found themselves aligned with the Nazi-backed forces fighting against the Soviets for all kinds of reasons. Certainly after the war there were ties from their circle to the Cold War apparatus.
So no disrespect whatsoever intended to those who sincerely may have wanted a different deal for Eastern Europe than what the big boys agreed to at Yalta. That said, the White Stag program in the U.S. Boy Scouts reeks of military psychology, blended with the pre-Christian mythos of Europe, and possibly some fascist tendencies. So at minimum I feel that there's cause for further investigation...
More on the life of Béla Bánáthy here.