12-03-2010, 08:32 PM
Jan Klimkowski Wrote:So, the former MI5 spychief and preposterously named Dame Eliza Manningham-Buller claims that British intelligence had no idea that the Americans were torturing people.
This is of course a desperate and totally insincere defence designed to protect government ministers and spooks from ending up in international criminal courts.
However, if MSM takes this defence seriously, as MSM is obliged to (after all, MSM regards the utterances of spy agencies as being the last word on "national security" and "defence of the realm") , then surely it's yet more evidence that British intelligence is completely and utterly incompetent and unfit for purpose.
Will Paxman (leading BBC political interviewer) grill MI5 and MI6 on this incompetence? Of course not.
Points well taken, but I'll bet the preposterously named Dame Eliza Manningham-Buller was using the Bush-Chaney-Rumy 'definition' (term-of-art) as to what was and was not torture....its always in the 'fine print'....and not over until the fat lady sings.....:lollypop: (to cover-up the screams of those waterboarded et al.)
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