01-06-2010, 09:09 PM
Keith Millea Wrote:Thanks Jan,
The two stories that I posted,(Anna Mae Aquash,Judi Bari)concerning FBI infiltration into radical groups ultimately are very frustrating.The main problem being everyone involved have plenty of skeletons in their own closet.There is a CYA tendency,and most people don't really want to tell the truth.I think it insightful though to see just how well placed informers were in these groups.In all cases informants reached into the highest levels of the radical movements.I will post my last bits below,sort of the "iceing on the cake" as you will see.
Please keep the thread alive. I promise to contribute as and when I have something worth saying.
Keith Millea Wrote:I also purchased a like new copy of Vineland a couple of weeks ago.I've only read some opening pages,but got hooked quickly as Pynchon mentions "Vato",and 'ese (Mexican slang).These are two phrases that I grew up with in school,and was only recently thinking about the slang 'ese,and wondering how a person would spell it.I was thinking in phonetics,(SA).Anyways,Vineland is in my turf,and I don't think I will even need Phils "Vineland for dummies" link.I can't get into it right now as I have to pack up my chit and move.My own Operation CHAOS.lol
I'll be very interested in your thoughts on Vineland.
Pynchon dedicated Gravity's Rainbow to his friend and fellow counterculture artist Richard Farina, who was married to Mimi Baez. And of course Pynchon wrote that uniquely resonant novel between around 1964-72.
I don't buy the argument of post-modern academia that Pynchon's novels are self-reflexive and do not mean.
For me, Vineland is, in large part, an artistic exploration of Cointelpro as Symbol of the betrayal and corruption of American possiblities for Good. Written by a man who was part of the Counterculture.
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War."
Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon
"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War."
Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon
"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war