11-12-2010, 06:06 PM
(This post was last modified: 14-12-2010, 09:07 AM by Nicholas Popov.)
Originally Posted by Menocchio
What does this ahistorical gibberish actually mean?
But given the fact that you've enumerated some of the privileges of the bureaucratic class within "real existing socialism", I'd speculate that by "communists" you actually mean "the state officers in USSR". However, you still have to demonstrate three things:
1) what are "intellectual values"
2) how does the fact of historical privileges translate into an ahistorical eternal truth which encompasses everyone who proiclaims himself/herself "communist"
It was, historically, "communism" for the elect only.
Yet, the relationship between the ideology and material practice is more complicated than a suggestion that it (the privileges) follows logically from the ideology itself.
Nicholas Popov
I am not so clever to compete in knowledge of ideological Talmuds. The desire has been extinguished 30 years ago in university, when communism was the state religion of the USSR.
Deviation from the revolutionary ideas in Russia began after the death of Lenin.
It is impossible to build a new society without innovation in management. The power of one person means return to former tsarism. Lenin's idea of the Soviets (Council of several participants) was a necessary innovation at that time and the first step towards collective intelligence. But fixed leadership (headed by the Secretary) has remained the same. A six-time convicted criminal, J. Stalin took advantage of this mistake (?), and shortly after Lenin's death has destroyed most of the revolutionary creators. Leon Trotsky did not escape this fate also.
All party disagreements were decided by majority of votes. The new tzar gradually has replaced the Old Bolsheviks on the "cooks" from the Stalinist conscription. These people had no independent thinking, but they have been betrayed to the new "Master of the House" who has opened new possibilities for them. Some of them were honest fanatics of a new faith, but who did not understand the essence of what is happening. Others have used affiliation to one-party monopoly for mercenary ends: for increase of the social status and for access to material values under the general poverty of people. In so doing professional qualities were substituted for personal fidelity and a party affiliation. The unaffiliated person could not calculate though on slightest prospect in this monopoly. In USSR: the state officer = the party member. The new bureaucratic elite has substituted real care for the simple people by slogans the communist consciousness and selflessness.
The privileges follows logically not from the ideology itself, but from the 'historical' relationships between lackeys and lords in any domination.
Besides, newly appeared "Messiah" has destroyed an the intellectual top of the nation, capable to independent thinking, that has lowered the general standard of culture and intellect. Stalin has replaced romanticists-thinkers on dogmatists, careerists and grabbers, and also usurped the power in republic. The creative stage of Russian revolution ended with the departure of Lenin and its like-minded persons.
Modern Russian two-headed, one-party 'democracy' is an eructation of Stalin's school and artificial selection.
The revolution dies without new ideas ...
P.S.: Refreshed 5-Pointed Star will reborn as a symbol of Collective Wisdom and consolidation peoples of five continents without ideological coloring.
What does this ahistorical gibberish actually mean?
But given the fact that you've enumerated some of the privileges of the bureaucratic class within "real existing socialism", I'd speculate that by "communists" you actually mean "the state officers in USSR". However, you still have to demonstrate three things:
1) what are "intellectual values"
2) how does the fact of historical privileges translate into an ahistorical eternal truth which encompasses everyone who proiclaims himself/herself "communist"
It was, historically, "communism" for the elect only.
Yet, the relationship between the ideology and material practice is more complicated than a suggestion that it (the privileges) follows logically from the ideology itself.
Nicholas Popov
I am not so clever to compete in knowledge of ideological Talmuds. The desire has been extinguished 30 years ago in university, when communism was the state religion of the USSR.
Deviation from the revolutionary ideas in Russia began after the death of Lenin.
It is impossible to build a new society without innovation in management. The power of one person means return to former tsarism. Lenin's idea of the Soviets (Council of several participants) was a necessary innovation at that time and the first step towards collective intelligence. But fixed leadership (headed by the Secretary) has remained the same. A six-time convicted criminal, J. Stalin took advantage of this mistake (?), and shortly after Lenin's death has destroyed most of the revolutionary creators. Leon Trotsky did not escape this fate also.
All party disagreements were decided by majority of votes. The new tzar gradually has replaced the Old Bolsheviks on the "cooks" from the Stalinist conscription. These people had no independent thinking, but they have been betrayed to the new "Master of the House" who has opened new possibilities for them. Some of them were honest fanatics of a new faith, but who did not understand the essence of what is happening. Others have used affiliation to one-party monopoly for mercenary ends: for increase of the social status and for access to material values under the general poverty of people. In so doing professional qualities were substituted for personal fidelity and a party affiliation. The unaffiliated person could not calculate though on slightest prospect in this monopoly. In USSR: the state officer = the party member. The new bureaucratic elite has substituted real care for the simple people by slogans the communist consciousness and selflessness.
The privileges follows logically not from the ideology itself, but from the 'historical' relationships between lackeys and lords in any domination.
Besides, newly appeared "Messiah" has destroyed an the intellectual top of the nation, capable to independent thinking, that has lowered the general standard of culture and intellect. Stalin has replaced romanticists-thinkers on dogmatists, careerists and grabbers, and also usurped the power in republic. The creative stage of Russian revolution ended with the departure of Lenin and its like-minded persons.
Modern Russian two-headed, one-party 'democracy' is an eructation of Stalin's school and artificial selection.
The revolution dies without new ideas ...
P.S.: Refreshed 5-Pointed Star will reborn as a symbol of Collective Wisdom and consolidation peoples of five continents without ideological coloring.