Will WikiLeaks unravel the American 'secret government'?

[David Guyatt]

My own position - in simple terms, fluid and evolving, stands right now as follows:

1. The leaks are real - but massaged and grossly manipulated with probably a plant or two - or a hundred....
2. Wikileaks has been compromised almost from the start and cannot be expected to hurt Israel in any significant fashion. John Young's complex analyses of the entire set up is about as close as we are likely to get for the time being. (The link is a Google search of the Cryptome site on the single word "Wikileaks" BTW)

Oh, Peter Lemkin was not all that fazed or upset by the film; I'm as opposed to what Israel has done, as anyone; and firmly anti-Zionist, even if I'm Jewish. I long ago swore I'd not step foot in Israel unless and until the occupation and genocidal war against the Palestinians was stopped. I also was and am a big supporter of Vannunu and agree the 'silent' Nuclear threat of Israel is not defensive in nature, but offensive - as are their other WMDs. That said, I'm not SO sure Wikileaks is an invention of the CIA and Mossad [two groups that, yes, do work hand in glove at times and at times not]. Assange's statement on 911 is odd, but perhaps he is just not informed on it and playing egoist on his information. I don't know. Could the leaks have been planned to skew information - yes. Were they likely - I don't know. If they were, by whom - too early to tell; and most important if they were was Assange and Wikileaks in the loop - I think not, but don't know and neither do you. What bothers me is the glee in giving aid and comfort to the very people you claim to loathe. I think we should all keep a healthy skepicism [as always with Deep Politics] and wait and see. Lastly, the matter has gone way, WAY beyond Assange and Wikileaks and the more important issue is the future [if any] for a free net and a net where free speech and free exchange of information is possible - or it will all be controlled by the usual villians. mokin:

Let me try to nuance the above position. I think it unlikely that Wikileaks was a CIA/Mossad initiated operation. But the SIS's are nothing if not opportunists. The Cyberpunks list was an operation that pre-dated Wikileaks by many years and provided the nucleus of the WL volunteers when it passed from Cyberpunk theorising to operational planning. The CP list would have been monitored closely by the SIS's - no question. They would have been aware of the WL planning as it developed and may or may not have had an 'Asset', conscious of his role, on the inside. It would have been clear at an early stage that the operation had serious potential for manipulated mischief - especially of the Mossad variety with their tentacles at the heart of US government, military and security systems. The problem for the SIS's would have been simply one of how best to manipulate and make use of WL for their own purposes.

The rest follows: The potential solutions to their problem would have ranged between pre-emptive sabotage/shutting down, to manipulation resulting in something not unlike we are seeing play out right now.

I'm agnostic about Assange. His conscious personal motives may be pure. OTOH, historical Patsies span the spectrum from angry, easily agent-provocateured and facilitated young man, to Full blown intelligent 'Manchurian candidate'. My guess is that Assange sits somewhere on that spectrum - but it's only a guess and I'm as keen as anyone to see him freed from physical incarceration whatever he is because I do NOT think he is a conscious CIA/Mossad agent.

Pretty much where I stand too.

My gut feeling is that Assange is genuine and Wikileaks likewise. But the opportunity to use the affair by tricksy operators is quite possible and based on past cases, infiltrating one or more people into the WL nucleus has to be a real possibility.

It is therefore necessary to step with care, I think.

Having said that I will still spend time fighting the all important "free speech" aspect of Wikileaks.