04-02-2011, 05:00 AM
Greg Burnham Wrote:Charles,
In my opinion, the scope of power to which JFK refers goes far beyond the constraints and/or boundaries of any nation's sovereignty, beyond any political ideology (communist, capitalist, or otherwise); indeed it goes beyond that which is "speakable". That his speech was made in the context of the "communist" threat is incidental to the larger picture.
Moreover, the words he uses to describe the "system" and the "conspiracy" are easily seen as attributes of our own government at the time (maybe even now) and of the Soviet Union--and beyond.
Greg,
I'm pleased to note that we're of the same opinion on most of these matters.
Believe it or not, you're preaching to the choir.
As I've previously referenced, the supra-national and supra-ideological forces that struck JFK also transcend time, place, and contemporary agenda. George Michael Evica referred to the individuals who embodied these forces as the "masters who were above Cold War differences."
I further agree with you that the fact that JFK's "speech was made in the context of the 'communist' threat is incidental to the larger picture."
My point is simply this: I'm not certain that at the time he made the speech JFK fully understood what you, I, and a handful of others now acknowledge to be true -- which is to say, the nature of the Unthinkable.
Wasn't it RFK who, some time after his brother's murder, said words to the effect of, "I thought I knew how the world worked, but I didn't"?
To end on yet another note of agreement: I share your sentiment that, "Moreover, the words he uses to describe the "system" and the "conspiracy" are easily seen as attributes of our own government at the time (maybe even now) and of the Soviet Union--and beyond."
I have a big problem with just one of your words: "easily."
I have tried to make these points for years. Perhaps you've experienced the same reluctance to confront the truth of which we speak that I've noted even among those most enlightened and daring of deep political observers.
Charles Drago
Co-Founder, Deep Politics Forum
If an individual, through either his own volition or events over which he had no control, found himself taking up residence in a country undefined by flags or physical borders, he could be assured of one immediate and abiding consequence: He was on his own, and solitude and loneliness would probably be his companions unto the grave.
-- James Lee Burke, Rain Gods
You can't blame the innocent, they are always guiltless. All you can do is control them or eliminate them. Innocence is a kind of insanity.
-- Graham Greene
Co-Founder, Deep Politics Forum
If an individual, through either his own volition or events over which he had no control, found himself taking up residence in a country undefined by flags or physical borders, he could be assured of one immediate and abiding consequence: He was on his own, and solitude and loneliness would probably be his companions unto the grave.
-- James Lee Burke, Rain Gods
You can't blame the innocent, they are always guiltless. All you can do is control them or eliminate them. Innocence is a kind of insanity.
-- Graham Greene

