28-02-2011, 11:55 PM
(This post was last modified: 01-03-2011, 02:09 PM by Charles Drago.)
Hi Stan,
It has to do with what might best be referenced as -- apologies to Messrs. Jung and Guyatt -- world-historic influences.
Archetypal processes -- again, my term -- in part seem to be self-generating and evolutionary.
One needn't pass positive judgment on the Edisen story to conclude that, by April of 1963, the plot against JFK was well advanced. Such a "revelation" would fall into the "no shit Sherlock" category.
"Began"?
No.
Agreed.
Agreed.
This is an important and instructive paragraph.
"We are way beyond the question ... of conspiracy" is my mantra. No more debate.
"I'm not even sure 'who' is in doubt."
Which "who"? Sponsors? Facilitators? Mechanics? Sorry, but all too many "who's" remain unidentified. Don't conflate "who" with "how" or "why".
He wasn't.
Far from a "threat," JFK was the indispensable player in the larger drama.
If JFK hadn't existed, they would have invented him.
Unless I miss my guess.
Or with a benign operation to scare the hell out of the world as a precursor to disarmament?
Or with the plan to stimulate JFK's moral growth -- a spiritual fattening of the pig before slaughter?
"Part of the play"? Absolutely. But whose play? How many plays?
Does the term "high strangeness" ring a bell? Archetypal processes at work?
Think about the impact of the loss of his son on JFK's spiritual evolution. Note the manner in which his public interactions with his wife changed after that fact. The pig swells.
Intentionally on the part of the playwrights or not, yes.
Yes. No. Yes and no.
"Initial" surge? Hardly.
"American" psyche? Too limited.
"A further fracturing/fragmenting of consciousness"? Make that "human consciousness" and we're in business.
Add: It has been thus since we emerged from the ooze, and shall be always thus.
Stan Wilbourne Wrote:Charles,
Could you explain what you meant by this:
Quote:And would such a "plan" in its entirety have been fully under conscious control?
It has to do with what might best be referenced as -- apologies to Messrs. Jung and Guyatt -- world-historic influences.
Archetypal processes -- again, my term -- in part seem to be self-generating and evolutionary.
Stan Wilbourne Wrote:If we are to believe Adele Edisen - and I do - there was an elaborate plan to kill JFK in full swing of April of '63.
One needn't pass positive judgment on the Edisen story to conclude that, by April of 1963, the plot against JFK was well advanced. Such a "revelation" would fall into the "no shit Sherlock" category.
Stan Wilbourne Wrote:I have often thought that after the Cuban Missile Crisis, the origins of the plot began, President Kennedy being marked as dealing with the Communists and a threat to national security.
"Began"?
No.
Stan Wilbourne Wrote:I do not think that was the real motivation behind the assassination ... [
Agreed.
Stan Wilbourne Wrote:... but the reasoning was used on key members of the military and Secret Service it would take to execute the order.
Agreed.
Stan Wilbourne Wrote:Now...I'm re-thinking how and why the plot began. We are way beyond the question of whether there was a conspiracy. I'm not even sure "who" is in doubt. But, the "why" and "when" linger.
This is an important and instructive paragraph.
"We are way beyond the question ... of conspiracy" is my mantra. No more debate.
"I'm not even sure 'who' is in doubt."
Which "who"? Sponsors? Facilitators? Mechanics? Sorry, but all too many "who's" remain unidentified. Don't conflate "who" with "how" or "why".
Stan Wilbourne Wrote:If Kennedy was marked for assassination after the Missile Crisis why take so long (over a year) to kill him? If he was such a threat, why not have the job done quickly and be done with it?
He wasn't.
Far from a "threat," JFK was the indispensable player in the larger drama.
If JFK hadn't existed, they would have invented him.
Stan Wilbourne Wrote:Or, is it all grand theater, the Missile Crisis, the Bay of Pigs, the assassination, everything?
Unless I miss my guess.
Stan Wilbourne Wrote:Were we really on the brink of war (in the Missile Crisis) as we have taught? Or was that a theatrical production to be used in conjunction with the assassination later?
Or with a benign operation to scare the hell out of the world as a precursor to disarmament?
Or with the plan to stimulate JFK's moral growth -- a spiritual fattening of the pig before slaughter?
Stan Wilbourne Wrote:Was the Bay of Pigs part of the play, introducing a leading character in the drama of the Kennedy presidency? A tension building device to engage the audience and to set the back drop?
"Part of the play"? Absolutely. But whose play? How many plays?
Stan Wilbourne Wrote:The part of Edisen's story that I find most chilling (and it's all spooky as hell): Rivera predicted the loss of the Kennedy's unborn child, Patrick. How in the world would he have known that unless it was part of a story already written? It is a tip-off to how detailed this story was constructed.
Does the term "high strangeness" ring a bell? Archetypal processes at work?
Think about the impact of the loss of his son on JFK's spiritual evolution. Note the manner in which his public interactions with his wife changed after that fact. The pig swells.
Stan Wilbourne Wrote:We are also taught how narrow the Kennedy win in '60 was, that he used his father's vast wealth and influence to secure his victory. We have seen the saga of the LBJ side of things played out this forum with much passion. Is that part of the story as well, part of this theater?
Intentionally on the part of the playwrights or not, yes.
Stan Wilbourne Wrote:Did JFK win because he was supposed to? Did he react to key events in his presidency as he was predicted to? And, was he slaughtered right on schedule in the place it was always supposed to happen?
Yes. No. Yes and no.
Stan Wilbourne Wrote:Is looking at the assassination in the context of times another tip-off? Was it the initial surge into the splitting of the American psyche, a further fracturing/fragmenting of consciousness?
"Initial" surge? Hardly.
"American" psyche? Too limited.
"A further fracturing/fragmenting of consciousness"? Make that "human consciousness" and we're in business.
Stan Wilbourne Wrote:The message: It is hopeless. You are powerless. You have no control. You welcome the need for authority in your life.
Add: It has been thus since we emerged from the ooze, and shall be always thus.