12-02-2009, 02:18 PM
Kate Story Wrote:Can't say that I agree with you on that. Those laws are derived only from the Talmud...
And?
I can see nothing particularly objectionable to the seven Noahide laws:
1.Idolatry is forbidden.
2.Incestuous and adulterous relations are forbidden.
3.Murder is forbidden.
4.Cursing the name of G-d is forbidden.
5.Theft is forbidden.
6.Eating the flesh of a living animal is forbidden.
7.Mankind is commanded to establish courts of justice
Have you attempted to compare the seven Noahide laws to the Ten Commandments of Moses - which even today remain a centrepiece to Christian moral and religious thinking? Who was Moses? Not Christian, I think.
Quote:The Lubavitch movement is strictly a Talmudic/Caballah sect and if you have never read the Talmud, you really should.
I haven't read the Talmud nor indeed the Bible, although in my youth I studied comparative religions. I have a fairly extensive library on the Qabalah and can discuss it in considerable depth if called upon to do so and in the mood (but why bore people for no good reason). Is this bad of me? Or must I be the token Gentile member of an odd Jewish sect to read those books?
Quote:The book of Sanhedrin instructs Jewish men how to have sex with little girls as long as they are at least 3 years and one day old. It also instructs them on having sex with little boys and I believe the age is 7 for them. It tells when and how a woman can have sex with little boys and also animals. It teaches that sex with a corpse is not a sin since the body is dead. It also teaches that all non-Jews are dogs and less than human. If Bush is truly the pedophile he is reported to be, this is the book for him.
I didn't see any of this stipulated in the seven Noahide laws btw? Nor can I find any scholarly reference to a "Book of the Sanhedrin" and doubt such a title actually exists outside of truly bizarre conspiracy literature (or are you talking about the "Tract Sanhedrin?" which is altogether different). More importantly, the Sanhedrin were founded in 191 BCE and were dissolved after the destruction of the second Temple 70 CE. As far as sexual bestiality goes the Marquis de Sade - who enjoyed rape, bestiality and necrophilia - is far more current (died 1814). Ditto Sir Francis Dashwood, founder of the Hellfire Club, circa 1750. Ditto the powerful and well connected bastards who today run the international paedophile networks that we have discussed extensively elsewhere on this forum. What happened 2000 years ago -- supposing these claims are correct (?) is old news isn't it.
Anyway, if you can point me in the direction where "The Book of the Sanhedrin" is acknowledged by religious scholars then I'll certainly commit to look at it.
Quote:I really do not care how many honors this man was given or by whom. Lip service is given many many times to those whom something will be expected later.
Nor do I. But the US was apparently constituted on the seven Noahide laws, I suspect because these laws were the forerunners of the Laws of Moses and, indeed, are most similar to the latter. I still don't see the big deal here? I also don't understand the anti semitic context you appear to put forward in your arguments. Many in the US establishment were aligned with or close to Hitler and the Nazis prior to - and during - WWII. There is a history of fascism in the US. Why focus on the Jews of biblical times and a Jewish sect that evaporated almost 2000 years ago? I don't get it.
Quote:The Christians are riled up over this as they know the worship of any other god other than the insane OT yahweh is forbidden and according to the Talmud is punishable by death. They fail to see that ALL worship other than the Talmudic god will be forbidden but since their's is the 'only' true one they care not for anyone else.
I likewise have little time for the crazy Christians either (as distinct from the great bulk of peace loving Christians). They are a radical minority sect focused on spreading anger and hate. Let's also not forget more recent Christian history when anyone who voiced their doubts about Christ was tortured and murdered in the most appalling way by the Inquisition. Mankind history is littered with intolerance and that intolerance has never been limited to one race or religion but moves across all of them like a foul wind.
Quote:I am not a religious person but when one group tries to force their system of belief on the world, I have a huge problem with that.
Nor am I and I share your attitude -- but you really should be venting yourself on the Christian faith too because it actively proselytizes as an article of faith.
Quote:I began reading the Talmud many years ago and it is rotten and hateful.
Really?
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14