John Lennon would be 70 today

[Albert Doyle]

LSD, while you may feel is the most 'potent' of MK-ULTRA drugs was not...it was, in massive doses in the mid-range. There were stronger and there were more 'effective' in programming. Most importantly, it was a 'mix' of several drugs plus suggestion plus hypnosis, plus regression, plus sensory deprivation, plus re-programming the personality. [I'm not going to go into the details here where are on the Internet, in books, and even on this Forum].

So what does that have to do with my point? I feel a unnecessary forcing of focus on semantics has regressed from the main point here. Point taken, but that doesn't stop Chapman from inducing the same conditions in himself by means of his particular idiosyncrasies.

Saying that under LSD-25 apples can turn into oranges is playing with words, but NOT with concepts.

I don't know what that means or how it applies here? I would turn it right back at you and say playing with forced definitions that MK-ULTRA can only be referred to under very specific terms is what is the playing with concepts here. The MK-ULTRA process can be referred to figuratively, or relatively as I was doing.

[MK Mengele?!.....what was meant by this. Mengele was pre - MK-ULTRA by a long shot. He was, in some ways great-grandfather to the ethic that became mind-control, but he himself was only inundated to Nazi propaganda, not to drugs and mind-control as we now know it....although he may have dabbled in this on a few of his twins...don't mix things in time or fact, please.

The CIA mind control programs are directly related to the level of depravity established and embodied by Mengele, as you yourself admit above. Honestly, I think this is a little ridiculous parsing this to this degree with humorless, pedantic restriction of terms at the expense of the main issue. It's preposterous to suggest that Mengele cannot be referenced unless it is specifically during his time. Killing people by means of evil psychologist-programmed assassins falls very squarely within the political eugenics practiced by Mengele and the Nazis in my opinion.

All said, I feel self-programming wasn't the case here and that Mark David Chapman fits squarely into the clearly-established pattern of covert CIA assassinations. If anyone has an interest in this I covered it in my review of Phil Strongman's book above. Strongman attempts to do what Douglass did with the Kennedy assassination. What he does is step back and look at the bigger picture of the overall pattern of CIA assassinations and the evidence for them. Just like Douglass, Strongman succeeds in showing how perfectly the pattern of covert interest in Lennon and covert interest in other famous assassination victims matches, as well as their cover-ups. CIA, or whatever dark agency was involved, managed to perfect their Lone Nut patsy procedures by making their assassins appear to be undoubtably insane and more independent. They perfected their Oswald process by removing the contact with other operatives and sending their robot assassin in "alone".

The more I study these assassinations the more I realize Perdomo isn't some mystery we have yet to figure out. CIA is very ballsy and arrogant and send their people in right in the middle of it because the government is so wickedly corrupted that they have nothing to fear, as is exampled by the Kennedy assassination.