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The saga of Germany versus Greece continues via a Der Spiegel "exclusive", authorized by senior German financial and political sources:

Quote:05/06/2011

Athens Mulls Plans for New Currency

Greece Considers Exit from Euro Zone

By Christian Reiermann

The debt crisis in Greece has taken on a dramatic new twist. Sources with information about the government's actions have informed SPIEGEL ONLINE that Athens is considering withdrawing from the euro zone. The common currency area's finance ministers and representatives of the European Commission are holding a secret crisis meeting in Luxembourg on Friday night.

Greece's economic problems are massive, with protests against the government being held almost daily. Now Prime Minister George Papandreou apparently feels he has no other option: SPIEGEL ONLINE has obtained information from German government sources knowledgeable of the situation in Athens indicating that Papandreou's government is considering abandoning the euro and reintroducing its own currency.

Alarmed by Athens' intentions, the European Commission has called a crisis meeting in Luxembourg on Friday night. The meeting is taking place at Château de Senningen, a site used by the Luxembourg government for official meetings. In addition to Greece's possible exit from the currency union, a speedy restructuring of the country's debt also features on the agenda. One year after the Greek crisis broke out, the development represents a potentially existential turning point for the European monetary union -- regardless which variant is ultimately decided upon for dealing with Greece's massive troubles.

Given the tense situation, the meeting in Luxembourg has been declared highly confidential, with only the euro-zone finance ministers and senior staff members permitted to attend. Finance Minister Wolfgang Schäuble of Chancellor Angela Merkel's conservative Christian Democratic Union (CDU) and Jörg Asmussen, an influential state secretary in the Finance Ministry, are attending on Germany's behalf.

'Considerable Devaluation'

Sources told SPIEGEL ONLINE that Schäuble intends to seek to prevent Greece from leaving the euro zone if at all possible. He will take with him to the meeting in Luxembourg an internal paper prepared by the experts at his ministry warning of the possible dire consequences if Athens were to drop the euro.

"It would lead to a considerable devaluation of the new (Greek) domestic currency against the euro," the paper states. According to German Finance Ministry estimates, the currency could lose as much as 50 percent of its value, leading to a drastic increase in Greek national debt. Schäuble's staff have calculated that Greece's national deficit would rise to 200 percent of gross domestic product after such a devaluation. "A debt restructuring would be inevitable," his experts warn in the paper. In other words: Greece would go bankrupt.

It remains unclear whether it would even be legally possible for Greece to depart from the euro zone. Legal experts believe it would also be necessary for the country to split from the European Union entirely in order to abandon the common currency. At the same time, it is questionable whether other members of the currency union would actually refuse to accept a unilateral exit from the euro zone by the government in Athens.

What is certain, according to the assessment of the German Finance Ministry, is that the measure would have a disastrous impact on the European economy.

"The currency conversion would lead to capital flight," they write. And Greece might see itself as forced to implement controls on the transfer of capital to stop the flight of funds out of the country. "This could not be reconciled with the fundamental freedoms instilled in the European internal market," the paper states. In addition, the country would also be cut off from capital markets for years to come.

In addition, the withdrawal of a country from the common currency union would "seriously damage faith in the functioning of the euro zone," the document continues. International investors would be forced to consider the possibility that further euro-zone members could withdraw in the future. "That would lead to contagion in the euro zone," the paper continues.

Banks at Risk

Moreover, should Athens turn its back on the common currency zone, it would have serious implications for the already wobbly banking sector, particularly in Greece itself. The change in currency "would consume the entire capital base of the banking system and the country's banks would be abruptly insolvent." Banks outside of Greece would suffer as well. "Credit institutions in Germany and elsewhere would be confronted with considerable losses on their outstanding debts," the paper reads.


The European Central Bank (ECB) would also feel the effects. The Frankfurt-based institution would be forced to "write down a significant portion of its claims as irrecoverable." In addition to its exposure to the banks, the ECB also owns large amounts of Greek state bonds, which it has purchased in recent months. Officials at the Finance Ministry estimate the total to be worth at least €40 billion ($58 billion) "Given its 27 percent share of ECB capital, Germany would bear the majority of the losses," the paper reads.

In short, a Greek withdrawal from the euro zone and an ensuing national default would be expensive for euro-zone countries and their taxpayers. Together with the International Monetary Fund, the EU member states have already pledged €110 billion ($159.5 billion) in aid to Athens -- half of which has already been paid out.

"Should the country become insolvent," the paper reads, "euro-zone countries would have to renounce a portion of their claims."

Zero Hedge believes this may be a Greek bid to improve the terms of their restructuring from Permanent Debt Slavery to, um, Permanent Debt Slavery But It'll Take Longer For The People To Realize:

Quote:Here Is Why A Voluntary Greek Restructuring Makes No Sense
While on one hand nobody can predict what the downstream effects on the European financial system will be from a Greek restructuring, and if Lehman is any indication, they would be quite dramatic to say the least, the biggest reason why Greece would likely never voluntarily initiate a pull out of the eurozone (which would mean an immediate default for all EUR-denominated Greek debt, which is all of it), comes courtesy of Credit Sights: "The reality from Greece's perspective is that if it unclear why restructuring would be a politically astute option. More than a quarter of Greek debt is held domestically - primarily social security (€28 billion) and banks (€31 billion), but even Greek households are holding €6 billion in short-dated securities. While those are relatively small amounts, we don't believe that asking those sectors to accept losses on their holdings of government securities would be a vote winner. What's more, Greece has the liquidity it needs until some time in 2013 thanks to the EU and IMF loan facility. There is €83 billion within Greece' EU-IMF facility that has not yet been drawn."

And along those lines a reader submits:

Quote:I'm convinced Greece is jealous that the portuguese got a much better deal. They want the same deal arguing that they have already suffered long enough... Monday they announce that Greece is getting better terms and we are off to the races... by early 2012 greece restructures debt.

Alternately, there are claims that German central bankers genuinely want Greece out of the Euro, in the idiotic belief that this would somehow "cleanse" the Euro and restore market confidence.

As of April 29, 2011, Greek 2 year debt was paying 26 percent interest:

Quote:Greek two-year yields rose back above 26 percent, while 10- year yields reached 16 percent, both approaching euro-era all- time highs.

Greek two-year yields surged as much as 109 basis points to 26.01 percent before retreating to 25.37 percent, 2.36 percentage points higher in the week. Ten-year yields gained as much as 31 basis points today to 16.01 percent, before sliding to 15.70 percent, a weekly gain of 80 basis points. The five- year security's yield rose 15 basis points today.

This is clearly unsustainable. In addition, Greek jobs and public services are being destroyed.

Greece is being subjected to Economic Shock Therapy to protect international banking interests from being forced to mark their idiotic investments to market (where they would be worth a fraction of their currently stated book value).

The Greek people need to follow the example of the Icelanders and refuse to agree to onerous debt restructuring. Every penny paid in interest on unrepayable debt, is a penny more lost forever.

The Irish, Italians, Portuguese, Austrians et al should follow shortly after.
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
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"They are in Love. Fuck the War."

Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon

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Soros bets against Euro - by David Guyatt - 26-02-2010, 06:59 PM
Soros bets against Euro - by Jan Klimkowski - 26-02-2010, 09:34 PM
Soros bets against Euro - by Peter Lemkin - 26-02-2010, 09:52 PM
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Soros bets against Euro - by David Guyatt - 27-02-2010, 11:22 AM
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Soros bets against Euro - by Magda Hassan - 27-05-2012, 01:25 AM
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Soros bets against Euro - by Jan Klimkowski - 27-05-2012, 11:30 AM
Soros bets against Euro - by Magda Hassan - 28-05-2012, 12:38 AM
Soros bets against Euro - by Jan Klimkowski - 29-05-2012, 06:25 PM
Soros bets against Euro - by Keith Millea - 29-05-2012, 06:32 PM
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