07-07-2011, 05:17 PM
Seamus, without getting into a deep discussion at this point, I think it's a mistake to see or assume that S&B membership means that all S&B members are involved, attuned, aligned, or even aware of the plans and actions of one or two of them. I think it's a mistake to see S&B as a college fraternity. If your point is that it is too easy to see Freemasonry or the S&B or the Illuminati as the hook upon which everything can be hung, I agree. But at the same time I think it important to understand the roots of the secret society phenomenon, how it was used by some (especially including the Rothschild network, the Fed, and others), and to look at the expressed intent and philosophical dictates of its many outlets. I'm still reading and learning.
The Illuminati phenomenon was running in parallel and in sync with the Enlightenment and the emergence of Darwin, Malthus, Hegel and others and the mentality that only science, and the natural right of the elite man, enabled the evolution of man to a higher level. This leads to the reduction and destruction of religion and spiritual belief, the idea that parapsychology works and that the mind of a man or men is the playground of those selected or "tapped" by virtue of wealth and in-breeding, and that the infiltration of government for the purposes of increasing that wealth is fair game. [There are interesting ties yet to be fully explored between S&B boys and the Teapot Dome Scandal, for example.] The S&B phenomenon is "insider information" at the 3rd or 4th magnitude.
It is also a mistake to look at Harry Truman as the father of the national security state or its enabling legislation. He assisted at the birth, no doubt, but he did not plant the seed.
Finally, whatever one makes of the history of the secret societies (and I have yet to delve into the translations of Alexander Solzhenitsyn's "Two Hundred Years Together"), it is important to understand the "occult" and alchemical nature and foundation underneath these secret societies [see Peter Levenda's Unholy Alliance and his trilogy Sinister Forces, among others, and their underlying focus on psychological manipulation, psychological warfare, etc.
As has been noted elsewhere, it seems to require an examination of the histories of Europe (which includes Russia) since about 1700 and its development of secret societies, much of which transformed itself and re-appeared elsewhere (in France, in the US, and most notably in Germany), where it gave birth to other movements, societies and most importantly mind-sets (or what came to be known in Germany as "world-views"). It also gave birth to the Thule Gessellschaft, and a cult that came to be known as Naziism.
That the growth and practice of Naziism (with all its vile excesses) was the outcome of an orientation to what can only be described as a satanic cult is well-documented in numerous sources.
That the support and transference of those "world-views" [which include a very unhealthy, criminal, amoral and undemocratic practice of learning how to control another mind individually or collectively which emanates now from within the US through adopted findings, research and practices planted near-simultaneously in Russia, Germany and the US by the "sinister forces" behind the development of secret societies] was generated and kept alive by the same massed wealth (acting through the Eastern Establishment and the OSS/CIA) which now makes itself known on Wall Street and inside the Fed is also well-known and well-documented.
So the US government and the financial sector of the US economy (Wall Street and the Fed) are working hand-in-glove to insure that the world is constantly divided, engaged in turmoil, active in open and covert warfare which generates debt which makes certain people inordinately rich and the "actors" somewhat rich but which impoverishes and kills off the rest of the world. These powers are working to control everything for themselves, sharing it not with anyone else. Everything they do is done in secrecy, with lack of accountability, through methods of deception, propaganda, NewSpeak, etc. [That is also well-documented.]
it is important to remember the warning (I think it was Levenda's) that it does not matter whether the Illuminati exist, or what you call them, or how you track the phenomenon. What is important to recognize and counteract -- and the question in this thread is whether that was what JFK was hinting at -- the survival of the unethical worldview that the ends justify the means.
The Illuminati phenomenon was running in parallel and in sync with the Enlightenment and the emergence of Darwin, Malthus, Hegel and others and the mentality that only science, and the natural right of the elite man, enabled the evolution of man to a higher level. This leads to the reduction and destruction of religion and spiritual belief, the idea that parapsychology works and that the mind of a man or men is the playground of those selected or "tapped" by virtue of wealth and in-breeding, and that the infiltration of government for the purposes of increasing that wealth is fair game. [There are interesting ties yet to be fully explored between S&B boys and the Teapot Dome Scandal, for example.] The S&B phenomenon is "insider information" at the 3rd or 4th magnitude.
It is also a mistake to look at Harry Truman as the father of the national security state or its enabling legislation. He assisted at the birth, no doubt, but he did not plant the seed.
Finally, whatever one makes of the history of the secret societies (and I have yet to delve into the translations of Alexander Solzhenitsyn's "Two Hundred Years Together"), it is important to understand the "occult" and alchemical nature and foundation underneath these secret societies [see Peter Levenda's Unholy Alliance and his trilogy Sinister Forces, among others, and their underlying focus on psychological manipulation, psychological warfare, etc.
As has been noted elsewhere, it seems to require an examination of the histories of Europe (which includes Russia) since about 1700 and its development of secret societies, much of which transformed itself and re-appeared elsewhere (in France, in the US, and most notably in Germany), where it gave birth to other movements, societies and most importantly mind-sets (or what came to be known in Germany as "world-views"). It also gave birth to the Thule Gessellschaft, and a cult that came to be known as Naziism.
That the growth and practice of Naziism (with all its vile excesses) was the outcome of an orientation to what can only be described as a satanic cult is well-documented in numerous sources.
That the support and transference of those "world-views" [which include a very unhealthy, criminal, amoral and undemocratic practice of learning how to control another mind individually or collectively which emanates now from within the US through adopted findings, research and practices planted near-simultaneously in Russia, Germany and the US by the "sinister forces" behind the development of secret societies] was generated and kept alive by the same massed wealth (acting through the Eastern Establishment and the OSS/CIA) which now makes itself known on Wall Street and inside the Fed is also well-known and well-documented.
So the US government and the financial sector of the US economy (Wall Street and the Fed) are working hand-in-glove to insure that the world is constantly divided, engaged in turmoil, active in open and covert warfare which generates debt which makes certain people inordinately rich and the "actors" somewhat rich but which impoverishes and kills off the rest of the world. These powers are working to control everything for themselves, sharing it not with anyone else. Everything they do is done in secrecy, with lack of accountability, through methods of deception, propaganda, NewSpeak, etc. [That is also well-documented.]
it is important to remember the warning (I think it was Levenda's) that it does not matter whether the Illuminati exist, or what you call them, or how you track the phenomenon. What is important to recognize and counteract -- and the question in this thread is whether that was what JFK was hinting at -- the survival of the unethical worldview that the ends justify the means.
"Where is the intersection between the world's deep hunger and your deep gladness?"