05-12-2011, 03:46 PM
No, you are not in deep water. You have simply misunderstood the conception of Lyndon as "mastermind". If you read the exchanges on this and related threads, you will see that you are in good company, because even some of the more astute members of this forum have displayed similar or very comparable cognitive difficulty.
As James Douglass explains in JFK AND THE UNSPEAKABLE, Jack had antagonized some of the most powerful special interest groups in this country, including the CIA, the Joint Chiefs, the Eastern banking establishment, the Mafia, anti-Castro Cubans, and even the Joint Chiefs, all of whom, for different reasons, wanted him out.
LBJ was the one player who was connected with all of these disparate interests. He had forced his way onto the ticket in order to ascend to the nation's highest office. You really want to read LBJ: MASTERMIND OF JFK'S ASSASSINATION to grasp the profound ambition and ruthless character of Lyndon Baines Johnson.
He schmoozed with the Secret Service, he undermined JFK's policies, he worked his connections with political leaders in Dallas, including Earle Cabell, the Mayor, who was the brother of Charles, whom JFK had removed from the CIA. He sent his chief assistant, Cliff Carter, to Dallas to make sure all the arrangements were in place.
Without doing some serious study of the background and the players, including reading books by Madeleine Duncan Brown, Billy Sol Estes, Barr McClelland, and "The Last Confessions of E. Howard Hunt", you are unlikely to piece this together. Some of those here, I believe, have attacked the Phil without reading his book.
Jack Ruby, one of the few conspirators who appears to have had a conscience, remarked that, if someone else had been the vice president, such as Adlai Stevenson, this would never have happened. Because he would become the new president, LBJ would be able to control the investigation and insure no one was punished.
I think it is very difficult to get a grip on this aspect of the case because some here have created a straw man by exaggerating the role that Lyndon would have had to play to justify that description. I invite you to listen to a two-hour interview with Phil Nelson on "The Real Deal", http://radiofetzer.blogspot.com to learn a lot more.
Like everyone else, before you study the evidence, including the reports of those who knew Lyndon "up close and personal", it may seem difficult for you to believe. But once you appreciate the character of the man and his "hands on" approach, especially by reading Phil's book, I think you will gain more understanding of all this.
As James Douglass explains in JFK AND THE UNSPEAKABLE, Jack had antagonized some of the most powerful special interest groups in this country, including the CIA, the Joint Chiefs, the Eastern banking establishment, the Mafia, anti-Castro Cubans, and even the Joint Chiefs, all of whom, for different reasons, wanted him out.
LBJ was the one player who was connected with all of these disparate interests. He had forced his way onto the ticket in order to ascend to the nation's highest office. You really want to read LBJ: MASTERMIND OF JFK'S ASSASSINATION to grasp the profound ambition and ruthless character of Lyndon Baines Johnson.
He schmoozed with the Secret Service, he undermined JFK's policies, he worked his connections with political leaders in Dallas, including Earle Cabell, the Mayor, who was the brother of Charles, whom JFK had removed from the CIA. He sent his chief assistant, Cliff Carter, to Dallas to make sure all the arrangements were in place.
Without doing some serious study of the background and the players, including reading books by Madeleine Duncan Brown, Billy Sol Estes, Barr McClelland, and "The Last Confessions of E. Howard Hunt", you are unlikely to piece this together. Some of those here, I believe, have attacked the Phil without reading his book.
Jack Ruby, one of the few conspirators who appears to have had a conscience, remarked that, if someone else had been the vice president, such as Adlai Stevenson, this would never have happened. Because he would become the new president, LBJ would be able to control the investigation and insure no one was punished.
I think it is very difficult to get a grip on this aspect of the case because some here have created a straw man by exaggerating the role that Lyndon would have had to play to justify that description. I invite you to listen to a two-hour interview with Phil Nelson on "The Real Deal", http://radiofetzer.blogspot.com to learn a lot more.
Like everyone else, before you study the evidence, including the reports of those who knew Lyndon "up close and personal", it may seem difficult for you to believe. But once you appreciate the character of the man and his "hands on" approach, especially by reading Phil's book, I think you will gain more understanding of all this.
LR Trotter Wrote:I know I'm in deep water here and probably should not have left the boat, but looking from my point of view as a student, not a researcher, I have trouble with the presumption of the possibility of LBJ as the mastermind of the JFK assassination. I just can't see that kind of power under his total control, and would think RFK would have known and would have somehow exposed the truth if in fact it was a small power source in control of the crime. The EHH confession regarding LBJ, to me, seems a little unlikely as well. Just a comment from a non researcher, but one that truly appreciates being a student of the researchers, and being able to view and post on this forum.
