24-12-2011, 01:11 AM
Of course in the Prouty I'm reading on Kindle now the strategy was plotted and handed to Truman--it was that long-standing.
Kennedy having seen the French take it at Dien Bien Phu (who puts a base of 70k below surrounding hills) wanted nothing to do with this.
There is a nifty ten-minute silent black and white choppy-speed film of the sweaty Khmer Rouge hauling their pieces up the jungle hill, macheteros flailing a path, pursuant to raining steel down on the sitting ducks while U.S. air prevented by weather.
Here is the Col Bui Tin on why and how U.S. failed: http://www.viet-myths.net/BuiTin.htm
November 65 Joint Chiefs to White House to be allowed fifteen minutes to plea for permission to bomb Hanoi and mine Haiphong. Johnson cursed and humiliated them in this four-page excerpt from some memoirs first published May 96 Proceedings: http://hnn.us/articles/34024.html also at http://thebutter-cutter.com/First_Day_Of...est_W_.php
In accounts of the Johnson years he's portrayed as his hapless, desperate schoolteacher offering to teach the world is flat or round as desired. He professed a fear of Soviet or Chinese intervention which made Ho laugh.
In my view of this Johnson he did not wish to win only to consume product; it was a business deal. He was told to withdraw and he did so--o the humanity--we've lost Cronkite.
In the street at the Nixon Counterinaugural January 19, 1969 the dialogue between the haircut with the flag and the longhair with the sign was "I got two brothers in Vietnam" vs. "yeah well f--- you."
Kennedy knew not to get involved; Johnson did so to assuage the corporate-security interests, cynically never intending to make the sacrifice mean further deaths in retribution upon withdrawal would not be added to the slate.
Fonda bought land in Pecos where the log trucks roar preceded by escort cars flags and lights and signs PELIGRO.
And we are not in the Golden Triangle but the Golden Crescent.
Arms and drugs and war, oh my.
Kennedy having seen the French take it at Dien Bien Phu (who puts a base of 70k below surrounding hills) wanted nothing to do with this.
There is a nifty ten-minute silent black and white choppy-speed film of the sweaty Khmer Rouge hauling their pieces up the jungle hill, macheteros flailing a path, pursuant to raining steel down on the sitting ducks while U.S. air prevented by weather.
Here is the Col Bui Tin on why and how U.S. failed: http://www.viet-myths.net/BuiTin.htm
November 65 Joint Chiefs to White House to be allowed fifteen minutes to plea for permission to bomb Hanoi and mine Haiphong. Johnson cursed and humiliated them in this four-page excerpt from some memoirs first published May 96 Proceedings: http://hnn.us/articles/34024.html also at http://thebutter-cutter.com/First_Day_Of...est_W_.php
In accounts of the Johnson years he's portrayed as his hapless, desperate schoolteacher offering to teach the world is flat or round as desired. He professed a fear of Soviet or Chinese intervention which made Ho laugh.
In my view of this Johnson he did not wish to win only to consume product; it was a business deal. He was told to withdraw and he did so--o the humanity--we've lost Cronkite.
In the street at the Nixon Counterinaugural January 19, 1969 the dialogue between the haircut with the flag and the longhair with the sign was "I got two brothers in Vietnam" vs. "yeah well f--- you."
Kennedy knew not to get involved; Johnson did so to assuage the corporate-security interests, cynically never intending to make the sacrifice mean further deaths in retribution upon withdrawal would not be added to the slate.
Fonda bought land in Pecos where the log trucks roar preceded by escort cars flags and lights and signs PELIGRO.
And we are not in the Golden Triangle but the Golden Crescent.
Arms and drugs and war, oh my.