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Tunisia
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Lauren Johnson Wrote:
Bill Kelly Wrote:
Lauren Johnson Wrote:Bill Kelly:

Quote:it is a popular uprising, a democratic revolution that the CIA didn't expect or spark.

Bill, my position is that it is irrelevant whether this statement is true or not. It might well be true but I certainly wouldn't bet on it. If one's goal is to capitalize on turmoil, then it is possible to spin gold from whatever happens whether one can take credit or not. Whoever the sponsors are, the facilitators and mechanics seem to be bending and shaping things quite well.

Magda's position continues to persuade.

You mean Assad's Police State continues to persuade.

BK

No that is not what I mean. But this IS what I mean. Fook off.

So much for intelligent discussion about what I think is an important subject, one that I recognized as a Deep Political Event when it began and started a blog on the topic:
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Revolutionary Program
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For those who don't know me, I have been fighting the US military police state since 1968 when I was 17 years old, tear gassed by the Illinois National Guard, beat with night sticks by Chicago Police and arrested for protesting the war in Vietnam. I have been an outspoken critic of the US coups in Guatemala and Iran, the US policies in Cuba and Nicaragua and actively opposed the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, although I think that the Taliban are an evil enemy that can be best opposed by creating schools for women.

When the revolution in Tunisia began, the USA, France, UK and other countries were in bed with the dictator there as well as cozy with Gadhafi and Mubarak. While I knew nothing about the situations in Tunisa and Egypt, I was very familiar with the history of US foreign policy in Libya, and started a blog about it in 2008 Remember the Intrepid. My goal of repatriating the remains of a hometown Naval hero - Richard Somers, who is buried in an unmarked grave at Martyr's Square - the only real martyr actually buried there, and had obtained the permission of the Gadhafis to permit the repatriation, but my efforts have been opposed by the US Navy Brass as well as US Sen. John McCain. I worked with Prof. Benjamin Barber, the only American on the Gadhafi Charities Foundation, who was an academic mentor to Saif Gadhafi, and almost convinced him to begin the reformation of the Libyan government, but the revolution interceded, ending both our efforts to repatriate the remains of our native son from Tripoli and Barber and Saif's efforts to reform their system of government.

While I began my blog as a spectator, attempting to discern and describe the once unfamiliar dictators and their cronies as well as the revolutionaries, it quickly became apparent that the dictators were the bad guys, and it doesn't matter if the police state is the USA or Tunisia, or Egypt, Libya or Syria, - or Bahrain, Iran or Saudi Arabia for that matter - it is still a police state, and I support the revolutionaries in the USA as well as Libya and Syria.

I have studied the situation in Tunisia in depth, and have yet to see how the Arab Spring was instigated by the CIA, NATO or the West, though I continue to compile information on this issue, and it has led to many disagreements with others who have worked with me on the JFK assassination research and other issues - especially Peter Dale Scott -who coined the term Deep Politics, as well as John Judge, my college mate, Cynthia McKinney (who I worked closely with on the Congressional 9/11 Briefing and the relief of Gaza) and Maggie, all of whom I admire, but can't understand their turning their backs on these brave revolutionaries who have deposed dictators without a principal leader and instead support the police states. Though they claim to oppose the American police state, they now embrace these tyrants, who they claim to be benevolent dictators. Rubbish. They are mass murders who will not be missed, and will have the same fate as Hitler and Gadhafi.

As I will continue to study and review the outcomes of the revolutions in Tunisia, Egypt and Libya and follow the events in Syria, I will Fook off, and not bother to engage in any more discussion with those who would rather post Russian and Iranian propaganda about non-existent western covert actions and disinformation.

I also support the publication of the Wiki Leaks and believe Assage is being railroaded for his releasing these valuable records - and everyone should read them as they show the USA had nothing to do with the origins of the Arab Spring revolutions, though they loathed the dictators, they worked with them and were supported by the bankers and oil companies to continue working with them as they already had deals with them. If you read the Wiki Leaks documents you see the changes in US policies from support for the dictators to the morally correct change in policy of supporting the democratic revolutionaries.

I don't check with the CIA to see what side they are on before determining who the bad guys are - and if the CIA is against the dictators that these revolutionaries are trying to depose, then they are on the right side for a change - which is a deep political change in policy that nobody wants to discuss.

All the best to you all,

Bill Kelly
"Death to Tyrants" - The motto of the US Navy volunteers who fought the Barbary Pirates who enslaved Americans in 1800.
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Tunisia - by Ed Jewett - 12-08-2012, 05:35 AM
Tunisia - by Danny Jarman - 12-08-2012, 05:38 PM
Tunisia - by Bill Kelly - 16-08-2012, 04:05 AM
Tunisia - by Magda Hassan - 16-08-2012, 04:08 AM
Tunisia - by Bill Kelly - 16-08-2012, 04:18 AM
Tunisia - by Magda Hassan - 16-08-2012, 04:49 AM
Tunisia - by Keith Millea - 16-08-2012, 03:23 PM
Tunisia - by Lauren Johnson - 16-08-2012, 10:08 PM
Tunisia - by Bill Kelly - 16-08-2012, 11:40 PM
Tunisia - by Magda Hassan - 17-08-2012, 05:43 AM
Tunisia - by Lauren Johnson - 17-08-2012, 06:06 AM
Tunisia - by Keith Millea - 17-08-2012, 05:00 PM
Tunisia - by Lauren Johnson - 17-08-2012, 05:29 PM
Tunisia - by Lauren Johnson - 17-08-2012, 06:10 PM
Tunisia - by Bill Kelly - 18-08-2012, 12:38 AM
Tunisia - by Lauren Johnson - 18-08-2012, 01:19 AM
Tunisia - by Magda Hassan - 18-08-2012, 01:28 AM
Tunisia - by Bill Kelly - 18-08-2012, 01:48 AM
Tunisia - by Lauren Johnson - 18-08-2012, 03:51 AM
Tunisia - by Magda Hassan - 18-08-2012, 06:18 AM
Tunisia - by Bill Kelly - 18-08-2012, 08:02 PM
Tunisia - by Lauren Johnson - 19-08-2012, 01:37 AM
Tunisia - by Lauren Johnson - 19-08-2012, 02:02 AM
Tunisia - by Bill Kelly - 19-08-2012, 02:56 AM
Tunisia - by Lauren Johnson - 19-08-2012, 03:53 AM
Tunisia - by Magda Hassan - 19-08-2012, 07:36 AM
Tunisia - by Magda Hassan - 19-08-2012, 07:49 AM
Tunisia - by Magda Hassan - 19-08-2012, 09:12 AM
Tunisia - by Bill Kelly - 19-08-2012, 10:17 PM
Tunisia - by Bill Kelly - 19-08-2012, 10:24 PM
Tunisia - by Danny Jarman - 19-08-2012, 11:09 PM
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