02-10-2012, 05:01 PM
(This post was last modified: 16-10-2012, 11:45 AM by Jeffrey Orling.)
Dawn,
I hold no brief for the US government or for the intel services and most corporations. None of these have my interest in their agendas.
Having said this, the fact that Silverstein had insured his property is perfectly normal for a property owner. It would be unusual had he not. I don't read a thing into the idea that he purchased insurance.
I assume the thrust of your statements is that Silverstein was part of the plot, purchased the WTC and faciliated having the CD devices installed and insured himself to make out on the deal. Perhaps. But that needs to be proven.
I can't know what people mean by what they say... Many statements have several meanings and most have nuance and interpretation issues.
One could argue that the - pull it - statement referred to the effort to assess the condition of the buildling as it likely was determined it MIGHT collapse. If this was the assessment it makes sense to agree to pulling the personnel from the building who were presumably there to assess its status. There was no effort to fight any of the blazes and it appears that they authorities were simply waiting to see what would happen. As two buildings had already collapse and NOT when struck but some time after... AND explosions of unknown origin or cause were heard throughout the day it is was reasoble guess at the time that they may have been bombs.
I've read that Silverstein was concerned whether his WTC 7 was covered as it wasn't hit by a hijacked plane and called his insurance company to discuss the matter during the day. Who know if this is true or what he was told by whomever and how the determination was made whether it was or was not covered and under what cause.
There may have been concern about why they were not able to stop the fires and if that would also threaten the structure. The electrical system was down as well as the sprinkler and there would be lots of issues to resolve in an insurance settlement.
Of course NIST solved all that and made the collapse a fire caused from WTC 1 damage which was caused by hijacked planes and so no need to go any further into what happened.
A new Peal Harbor.
I might make the same statement which seems to be pretty true... if the US was attacked by a foreign nation on our soil in a very destructive attack there is a very strong likelihood that the US response would be a military one. In fact, I can't imagine any other response to a Pearl Harbor attack.
As a presumptive democracy, the US cannot and does not go to war or invade without some manner of pretext or justification. You recall all the WMD nonsense before Shock and Awe and before that it was that Sadam was training AQ to hijack planes. There is no shortage of fake stories about world events which are intended to direct OFFICIAL policy decisions... or get congress to authorize war AUMF is what happened, not a declaration of war... but practically speaking the same thing.
The anthrax nonsense was clearly intel/DOD ops to make sure they got their AMUF, everyone was on board and the threat was real and people who dissent can be easily snuffed out opening the mail!
As readers may know, I believe that Intel/DOD was going to let the 9/11 attacks happen and did everything they could to block any defense or measures to stop them. I believe that the Pentagon and PA incidents were DOD staged events to make sure that:
it was clear that it was an attack of war... hitting our pentagon
that our young heros would fight back heroically against terrorism with their bare hands even (a la Jessica Lynch, Pat Tilman and so forth with came during the war) The fake new had worked wonderfully with the Kuwaiti incubator baby show in congress. The DOD has spend enormous resourses in PR and message control, disinformation and blocking the press (what's left of it) from getting the facts about what's going on.
There was actually no purpose in killing more than a few hundred people and simply hit the two towers with what was supposed to be hijacked planes. But when things got out of control, they had the mike and stalled the investigation, tried to pack the committee and control it and eventually 7 years later.. well after all their policies were in place issued a bogus cover up about what happened... which covered the negligence and LIHOP asses.
Of course Israel was jumping for joy... the US would now attack her enemies.
Sometimes things happen and people/groups benefit and they had nothing to do with the history that brought them the benefit. Rare but it happens. For example all the companies who are making a killing rebuilding the WTC had nothing to do with the 9-11 attacks... they are beneficiaries of events they did not cause.
Mosad might have been in on the LIHOP aspects since they track the Islamic *opposition* to their own hegemonic agenda. it wouldn't surprise me that they were LIHOP co conspirators and did have fore knowledge.
My problem with most of the truth movement is that they INSIST the attack was a inside job planned and executed by elements in the MIC with 100% control of the media, and so forth. The media hardly has to be controlled since it evolved from the fourth estate into a for (huge profit monopoly) Pravda like PR operation for corporate America and the MIC. This has kept the people nicely dumbed down and arguing about social issues while the corpations insinuated themselves into the government leagally of course.. and turned america into a neo feudal fascist state in a silent coup beginning with the JFK asssassination leaving all the old (neutered) democratic institutions in place. How clever! It looks like a democracy... but it's not!
From a perspective of *bang for the buck* the MIC can get a lot more from spinning and PR than engaging in mega false flag operations. The CIA uses this approach all the time.. they don't WAR they do small ops and manage the response and outcomes.
Even with respect to Iran the MIC is hunting hard for some justification to attack. A false flag may happen... but it will be a small incident blown up to enormous proportions. Iran will not attack the US and is not a threat to the US... with or without nukes. There are few to no facts and lots of spin and message management (dis and mis information).
Shit happens and some make lemonade from lemons. Isn't that what your mommy told you to do?
I hold no brief for the US government or for the intel services and most corporations. None of these have my interest in their agendas.
Having said this, the fact that Silverstein had insured his property is perfectly normal for a property owner. It would be unusual had he not. I don't read a thing into the idea that he purchased insurance.
I assume the thrust of your statements is that Silverstein was part of the plot, purchased the WTC and faciliated having the CD devices installed and insured himself to make out on the deal. Perhaps. But that needs to be proven.
I can't know what people mean by what they say... Many statements have several meanings and most have nuance and interpretation issues.
One could argue that the - pull it - statement referred to the effort to assess the condition of the buildling as it likely was determined it MIGHT collapse. If this was the assessment it makes sense to agree to pulling the personnel from the building who were presumably there to assess its status. There was no effort to fight any of the blazes and it appears that they authorities were simply waiting to see what would happen. As two buildings had already collapse and NOT when struck but some time after... AND explosions of unknown origin or cause were heard throughout the day it is was reasoble guess at the time that they may have been bombs.
I've read that Silverstein was concerned whether his WTC 7 was covered as it wasn't hit by a hijacked plane and called his insurance company to discuss the matter during the day. Who know if this is true or what he was told by whomever and how the determination was made whether it was or was not covered and under what cause.
There may have been concern about why they were not able to stop the fires and if that would also threaten the structure. The electrical system was down as well as the sprinkler and there would be lots of issues to resolve in an insurance settlement.
Of course NIST solved all that and made the collapse a fire caused from WTC 1 damage which was caused by hijacked planes and so no need to go any further into what happened.
A new Peal Harbor.
I might make the same statement which seems to be pretty true... if the US was attacked by a foreign nation on our soil in a very destructive attack there is a very strong likelihood that the US response would be a military one. In fact, I can't imagine any other response to a Pearl Harbor attack.
As a presumptive democracy, the US cannot and does not go to war or invade without some manner of pretext or justification. You recall all the WMD nonsense before Shock and Awe and before that it was that Sadam was training AQ to hijack planes. There is no shortage of fake stories about world events which are intended to direct OFFICIAL policy decisions... or get congress to authorize war AUMF is what happened, not a declaration of war... but practically speaking the same thing.
The anthrax nonsense was clearly intel/DOD ops to make sure they got their AMUF, everyone was on board and the threat was real and people who dissent can be easily snuffed out opening the mail!
As readers may know, I believe that Intel/DOD was going to let the 9/11 attacks happen and did everything they could to block any defense or measures to stop them. I believe that the Pentagon and PA incidents were DOD staged events to make sure that:
it was clear that it was an attack of war... hitting our pentagon
that our young heros would fight back heroically against terrorism with their bare hands even (a la Jessica Lynch, Pat Tilman and so forth with came during the war) The fake new had worked wonderfully with the Kuwaiti incubator baby show in congress. The DOD has spend enormous resourses in PR and message control, disinformation and blocking the press (what's left of it) from getting the facts about what's going on.
There was actually no purpose in killing more than a few hundred people and simply hit the two towers with what was supposed to be hijacked planes. But when things got out of control, they had the mike and stalled the investigation, tried to pack the committee and control it and eventually 7 years later.. well after all their policies were in place issued a bogus cover up about what happened... which covered the negligence and LIHOP asses.
Of course Israel was jumping for joy... the US would now attack her enemies.
Sometimes things happen and people/groups benefit and they had nothing to do with the history that brought them the benefit. Rare but it happens. For example all the companies who are making a killing rebuilding the WTC had nothing to do with the 9-11 attacks... they are beneficiaries of events they did not cause.
Mosad might have been in on the LIHOP aspects since they track the Islamic *opposition* to their own hegemonic agenda. it wouldn't surprise me that they were LIHOP co conspirators and did have fore knowledge.
My problem with most of the truth movement is that they INSIST the attack was a inside job planned and executed by elements in the MIC with 100% control of the media, and so forth. The media hardly has to be controlled since it evolved from the fourth estate into a for (huge profit monopoly) Pravda like PR operation for corporate America and the MIC. This has kept the people nicely dumbed down and arguing about social issues while the corpations insinuated themselves into the government leagally of course.. and turned america into a neo feudal fascist state in a silent coup beginning with the JFK asssassination leaving all the old (neutered) democratic institutions in place. How clever! It looks like a democracy... but it's not!
From a perspective of *bang for the buck* the MIC can get a lot more from spinning and PR than engaging in mega false flag operations. The CIA uses this approach all the time.. they don't WAR they do small ops and manage the response and outcomes.
Even with respect to Iran the MIC is hunting hard for some justification to attack. A false flag may happen... but it will be a small incident blown up to enormous proportions. Iran will not attack the US and is not a threat to the US... with or without nukes. There are few to no facts and lots of spin and message management (dis and mis information).
Shit happens and some make lemonade from lemons. Isn't that what your mommy told you to do?