02-04-2013, 06:50 PM
Von Pein is easy to refute. His offerings have the visible appearance of dishonesty. His posts are mendacious and survive only by following a strict plan of ridicule and evasion when confronted by the obvious.
It isn't outrageous that the CIA double Yates encountered would mention the Carousel Club. There's too many permutations in the plot to list, however this involvement of the Carousel could have been meaningful at some layer of the plot amongst different levels of players. Who knows how they were induced to get involved or how the Carousel was involved in the frame-up. Maybe it was meant to implicate Ruby at some unknown level.
If you step out of Von Pein's contrived scenario and just look at the fact Ruby shot Oswald you already have a total implication of both the Carousel and the plot in that alone. So how did the plotters handle that? They shut Ruby down and used some of the same tactics they used against Yates against Ruby. Unless, of course, you believe a two-bit mafia nightclub owner gave his life to defend Jackie Kennedy's honor.
The mention of the Carousel alone does not relieve doubters of answering both the 5 key critical points of Oswald-related evidence or the polygraph. The Carousel had a lot of warts associated with it beyond the CIA Oswald double's mention of it. All the evidence associated with it had to go through the same Dallas Police, FBI, Warren Commission bottlenecks anyway. So really, any mention of it by any CIA double would be neutralized just like those other references were through the same apparatus.
One conceivable explanation for this mention could be that they were going to implicate Ruby in the plot in order to blackmail him into shooting Oswald. This was a complex conspiracy involving many rooms. Mention of the Carousel could be used to compromise Ruby and justify alternative plans. Or it could be used to convince Ruby Oswald had screwed-up and exposed the Carousel and needed quick dispatching.
I like Von Pein's last reply because I've never seen him flop with such an audible dull thud before or be so conspicuously reaching in desperation. This is good. Von Pein is really starting to stretch so far that he isn't quite reaching all his holding points.
It isn't outrageous that the CIA double Yates encountered would mention the Carousel Club. There's too many permutations in the plot to list, however this involvement of the Carousel could have been meaningful at some layer of the plot amongst different levels of players. Who knows how they were induced to get involved or how the Carousel was involved in the frame-up. Maybe it was meant to implicate Ruby at some unknown level.
If you step out of Von Pein's contrived scenario and just look at the fact Ruby shot Oswald you already have a total implication of both the Carousel and the plot in that alone. So how did the plotters handle that? They shut Ruby down and used some of the same tactics they used against Yates against Ruby. Unless, of course, you believe a two-bit mafia nightclub owner gave his life to defend Jackie Kennedy's honor.
The mention of the Carousel alone does not relieve doubters of answering both the 5 key critical points of Oswald-related evidence or the polygraph. The Carousel had a lot of warts associated with it beyond the CIA Oswald double's mention of it. All the evidence associated with it had to go through the same Dallas Police, FBI, Warren Commission bottlenecks anyway. So really, any mention of it by any CIA double would be neutralized just like those other references were through the same apparatus.
One conceivable explanation for this mention could be that they were going to implicate Ruby in the plot in order to blackmail him into shooting Oswald. This was a complex conspiracy involving many rooms. Mention of the Carousel could be used to compromise Ruby and justify alternative plans. Or it could be used to convince Ruby Oswald had screwed-up and exposed the Carousel and needed quick dispatching.
I like Von Pein's last reply because I've never seen him flop with such an audible dull thud before or be so conspicuously reaching in desperation. This is good. Von Pein is really starting to stretch so far that he isn't quite reaching all his holding points.