29-04-2013, 05:22 PM
Greg Burnham Wrote:Albert Doyle Wrote:You can't pump billions of tons of CO2 into a closed system without having a scientific effect. Those who say this is just another warm period are in denial of the unprecedented CO2 spike along with its accompanying rise in temperature.
Every generation will have its troglodites telling them to stay true to their gods and temple priests...
Only problem is that in each instance of temperature increase, including the most recent, temperatures began rising PRIOR to CO2 levels. This is DOCUMENTED and those scientists who originally had it backwards have recanted. Perhaps increased temperature is caused by natural cycles (solar and oceanic), which in turn CAUSES an increase in CO2 in the atmosphere--not the other way around. The pattern of increased heat followed by increased atmospheric CO2 is not speculation, but fact. It is easily researched and it, among other things, demonstrates the perfidy of Michael Mann, et al, from Penn State University whose "Hockey Stick" graph was disingenuously exploited by Al "Nobel Prize" Gore, but has now been abandoned even by those scientists who once embraced it because it is patently FALSE. Those who continue to peddle the mantra that states: "increased CO2 causes an increase in global temperature" have either not done their homework or are failing to believe the very scientists who first made the claim but have themselves now abandoned it!
And Dawn, let's not mix apples with oranges--or with dog shit here. Just because I recognize the Climate Change disinformation campaign for the hoax it is does not mean I am PRO-Pollution or that I am not militantly anti-pollution. It simply means that I draw conclusions based on more than fear mongering. I recognize that many, indeed most, of those who believe man is responsible for global warming are not disinformation agents. They are merely disinformed themselves and are willing to remain uneducated as to the very serious problems that are inherent in the studies that allegedly support funding for global warming research.
I am not debating pollution. I am resisting the Big Lie.
I am not a scientist. So I sent an email to my Phd friend who has worked at NOAH nearly 20 years. Just got his reply.
Dawn -
Not a hoax. Definitely human-induced.
Very difficult to separate human-induced change from natural variability, but 99.9% of scientists involved in the work feel that the evidence for human impact is very strong.
Like many others, I am utterly mystified by the right wing insistence that this is a conspiracy by world scientists to ... to do what? Destroy business? I don't even get the motivation. It strikes me more as an ostrich effect, in which people don't want to hear bad news, so they ignore it or claim it is invalid. Sorta the same reasoning that continues to drive people to buy a bucket of greasy chicken at PopEye's and claim it won't give them heart disease, or smoke cigarettes and claim that there is no evidence that it will give them cancer. (OK, the latter battle was finally won ....)
Bear in mind that climate change threatens the energy infrastructure of the world, in particular use of oil. coal, gas ... all of which grow exponentially more valuable as they are depleted. We're talking trillions and trillions of dollars. Big enough bucks to fuel wars. Most of the "disinformation" is sponsored by those groups ....
Gotta run.
Cheers,
Joel.
His name is Dr Joel Levy in case someone wants to check out his creds.
I will have nothing further to say on this matter as I am not the expert, but I have known Joel for over 35 years and respect his work and opinions.
Dawn
Glad you are healed and back ...will be interested in your POV re the Boston Marathon.